Legal Guarding Position

Jurassic Referee

From another forum.....

Defensive player B1 has established a legal guarding position on dribbler A1, and you have started a 5-second closely guarded count. The defender now slips and falls to the floor, face-down, in front of the dribbler. Do you continue your closely-guarded count while B1 is laying face down on the court?

mick

Jurassic Referee wrote
From another forum.....

Defensive player B1 has established a legal guarding position on dribbler A1, and you have started a 5-second closely guarded count. The defender now slips and falls to the floor, face-down, in front of the dribbler. Do you continue your closely-guarded count while B1 is laying face down on the court?

No. I end my 5-count and start a 10-count.

Jurassic Referee

mick wrote
No. I end my 5-count and start a 10-count.

LOL.....😃

Dan_ref

Jurassic Referee wrote
From another forum.....

Defensive player B1 has established a legal guarding position on dribbler A1, and you have started a 5-second closely guarded count. The defender now slips and falls to the floor, face-down, in front of the dribbler. Do you continue your closely-guarded count while B1 is laying face down on the court?

Sounds like your friend could use some new sneakers.

Where is that sneaker selling guy?

JugglingReferee

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Adam

JugglingReferee wrote
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i ship tomorrow.

you call 86-594-2759811 i sell you shoe

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JoeTheRef

mick wrote
No. I end my 5-count and start a 10-count.

That's funny. If the coach throws in the towel, then what do you have?? 😀

JoeTheRef

JugglingReferee wrote
you buy good shoe.

i ship tomorrow.

you call 86-594-2759811 i sell you shoe

And no foget.. no leeefund!!!

M&M Guy

JoeTheRef wrote
That's funny. If the coach throws in the towel, then what do you have?? 😃

I might have a technical (KO).

Jurassic Referee

Aw geeze, I'm serious, guys, believe it or not.

Opinions-----can a defender maintain LGP and a closely-guarded count continue while the defender is laying face down on the court?

Dan_ref

Jurassic Referee wrote
Aw geeze, I'm serious, guys, believe it or not.

Opinions-----can a defender maintain LGP and a closely-guarded count continue while the defender is laying face down on the court?

Under ncaa, no. Defender cannot maintain guarding position lying on the floor. This has been discussed here many times.

I'm sure someone will copy/paste half the fed rulebook to show why he thinks I'm wrong but I'm stopping my count in a fed game on this as well, unless there's another defender in the vacinity to take his place.

Jurassic Referee

Dan_ref wrote
I'm sure someone will copy/paste half the fed rulebook to show why he thinks I'm wrong but I'm stopping my count in a fed game on this as well, unless there's another defender in the vicinity to take his place.

I'll only copy this, and only as an aid to further discussion....

NFHS rule 4-23-3(a)--"After the initial legal guarding position is obtained, the guard may have one or both feet on the playing court or be airborne, provided he/she has inbound status."

Fwiw, I agree with you btw. Other esteemed members don't.

rockyroad

Dan_ref wrote
Under ncaa, no. Defender cannot maintain guarding position lying on the floor. This has been discussed here many times.

I'm sure someone will copy/paste half the fed rulebook to show why he thinks I'm wrong but I'm stopping my count in a fed game on this as well, unless there's another defender in the vacinity to take his place.

Agreed...nowhere in the discussion of maintaining LGP does it talk about a player lying on the floor.

Scrapper1

The dribbler's just gonna stand there for 5 seconds while his defender is on the floor? I don't think you're ever going to have to worry about this.

truerookie

Jurassic Referee wrote
I'll only copy this, and only as an aid to further discussion....

NFHS rule 4-23-3(a)--"After the initial legal guarding position is obtained, the guard may have one or both feet on the playing court or be airborne, provided he/she has inbound status."

Technically, both feet are still on the playing court. 😀 Just technically😉

Adam

Scrapper1 wrote
The dribbler's just gonna stand there for 5 seconds while his defender is on the floor? I don't think you're ever going to have to worry about this.

He doesn't have to stand there for 5 seconds. You could be at 4 on your count when the defender falls, just about to strike 5. Or, B1 could fall down just before B2 steps in to guard A1.

Jurassic Referee

Snaqwells wrote
He doesn't have to stand there for 5 seconds. You could be at 4 on your count when the defender falls, just about to strike 5. Or, B1 could fall down just before B2 steps in to guard A1.

And your call is, Snaqs?

LGP or not?

Adam

LGP with regard to responsibility for contact? Sure, if the contact is against the defender's feet.
With regard to closely guarded counts? No, I don't think so. Do we consider the player closely guarded if the defender has his back to the dribbler?

JoeTheRef

Snaqwells wrote
He doesn't have to stand there for 5 seconds. You could be at 4 on your count when the defender falls, just about to strike 5. Or, B1 could fall down just before B2 steps in to guard A1.

I won't make the 5 second call unless there's another defender within the 6 feet requirement.

Adam

JoeTheRef wrote
I won't make the 5 second call unless there's another defender within the 6 feet requirement.

i don't think I would either, I was just saying the possibility of having to make the decision isn't as miniscule as Scrapper implied.