maybe not by the book
 

At my most recent game, my partner crawled all over me for letting a "non-speaking" player come to me and ask a valid question. He was polite so I politely answered him. I thought I was just being courtious. My partner at halftme told me to only answer questions from the "speaking captain". I thought what I did was better game management for the situation at hand. The question the kid asked was "Do we get the ball on the baseline and can we run?" I pointed to the spot and said "You can run". Not a big deal. (I thought) I would like some input. Thanks.

I see no problem with what you did. How did your partner approach you about the situation?

Your partner is an OOO.

You done good.

Okay, I'll bite. What's that?

Agree that your partner's being overly sensitive. Player is well within their rights to clarify what type of throw-in it is, just like it's okay to ask how many free throws it is and where the ball is being taken out of bounds.

Just say thanks to his feedback and ignore it. The guy clearly has no clue. Answer this question EVERY time it is asked. Answer any polite and respectful question from any player regardless of who the captain is.

[QUOTE=DC_Ref12]Okay, I'll bite. What's that?



Overly officious official.

I've got no problem with it. I would have done exactly the same thing. Way to be...

Would your partner answer this question from a coach?

Let me guess, this partner has a reputation of being "unapproachable."

Good grief.

Bad call by your P. You did good.

What were you to do? Completely ingore him and look like an A-HOLE.

Tell him to go get the "speaking captain" so he can ask the question.

The speaking captain is needed to relay "official" information to the coach or other players and visa-versa, anything else is completely acceptable.

Works for me.
I would have answered the player and "waved/swept" the endline so that both teams knew.

I have no problem listening to players that are not the "speaking captain" but I will not spend a lot to time answering questions every time there is a situation either. I think there is a good balance that can be achieved.

Peace

Rut,
If some kid comes off the bench and walks up to you with those big, clear, bright eyes and asks you, Mr. Official, Sir ....?
Yer answerin' him. :)

That always sounds great, but it is very rare if ever a player says "Sir" or comes to you without having an attitude of some kind.

Peace

Usually, when I've been approached by a player, it's very respectful. I can usually see some frustration, but it's always respectful. Must be a regional thing. :D

I do not think Colorado people are the same as Chi-town people. I think that would be a safe guess.

Peace

Having spent the last week in Colorado Springs, and having spent a week in Chi-town last month, I definitely agree with your statement. Question is, which is the better?:D

One doesn't have to be better.
It's okay if they are merely different.

Hypothetically speaking.

Player - "Mr Official, Sir."

Me - "Yes, ..."

Player - "May I make a request?"

Me - "Certainly"

Player - "I respectfully request you take your Head outta Your Azz and call a better game."

Me - " Thank You for being polite, tweet, Tehnical foul #24. Hows that for a start?"

Player - "Thank You, Sir. May I have some more?"

:D :D :D

[QUOTE=Jay R]Overly Officious Oaf.

It is not rare in my games. You must not be well respected in your area, either that or they are just plain scare to say anything to you for fear you might do the extreme. Not only do the high school players do this to me, but the wreck league adult players treat me like this as well. I always, even if it's a HS player, fan, assistant coach, respond back to this type of jester in kind. Another thing, everyone is sir or mam in my games. I think it's very important that we be people first and approachable. I also think this is where we separate the good from the great officials.

A wise man once said, in order to get respect, you have to give respect.
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1) Does that apply in your college games also?

2)Yup, from one <b>jester</b> to another......:D
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Why in the world do you feel a need to respond to every single one of his posts?

Me: Maybe if you played a better game I might call a better game. Beep! Technical foul. Anything else you want to get off your chest?

Player: I felt you missed that call!

Me: I thought the defender played good defense on that one. We don't penalize good defense.

Player: Well call it on both ends!

Me: Will do!

Why in the world do you ask? Do you feel that <b>you</b> have the right to tell <b>anyone</b> on this forum what to post or not post, or when to post?

Just wondering where you're coming from.......

It just confuses me, to be honest. You express a complete disdain for anything and everything that spews forth from the mouth of OS, and yet you perpetually encourage him by constantly responding to his drivel.

Do you not see that you're only encouraging him?

I apologize if that comes across as harsh. I don't mean it to be.

Good point.

Unfortunately, I don't think that encouraging or discouraging him is relevant. He's gonna do what he's gotta do, no matter what.

I do have a short boiling point when it comes to some of his nonsense. The good thing is that it's a cold boiling point.:)

LOL. :)

I hear ya.

So, um, does that mean you're operating in a vaccum?

No, in a vacuum......

It doesn't come across as harsh, it is exactly what he wants to do. Get me to say more things in hopes that I will incriminate myself, or better stated, put my foot in my mouth so he can point out to the rest of the listening audience how bad of a person/official I am. What he doesn't understand and possibly to your point, or I believe this might be what you're getting at. You make yourself look bad, and everyone else, and you bring this board down when you constantly keep attacking OS posts whether right or wrong.

If you want to clean the house up. You get rid of the trash, all things that are bad, or dirty inside. It takes a strong man to admit he's wrong. It takes an even stronger man to stand up for what is right. I am working on this point right now in my life, on and off the court. Now you know why I say, long live David Stern. He's not afraid to do the right thing and clean up his house when someone is out of line.

Enough time spent on this forum today but i will leave you with this. A wise man once said, a community is only as strong as it's people, and it's people is only as strong as it's committment to what is right and it's disdain for what is not.
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Yea, that too.

PS: this completely contradicts my opinions in the pasts concerning OS. I have been reformed. PEACE OUT!

Now THAT will definitely make you go blind!!

Oh, no! He's finally gotten to you! Now you're starting to think like him!

:D

You deserve what you allow.

I have been living in a suburb of Chicago of 8 years as of about 2 or 3 days ago. I can tell you that many of the type of people are either very blue collar or come up in those kinds of backgrounds. Remember Chicago is a place where they were constantly complaining about their QB who took them to the Super Bowl. Even when Rex Grossman was winning games, there were media stories all over the place about playing a back up that had not has much NFL success in the post season or constant winning in the regular season for that matter. So this is not a place where someone just comes to you and says "sir" and "May I ask you a question..." in a tone that is completely respectful and does not have an edge. We also are generalizing here and there are always exceptions and other factors. But as a general rule I will not be a person that is constantly going to deal with questions after ever play. If that is something you want to do then do what you are comfortable with. Being approachable is very different than being yelled at or being confronted by players that should worry about their play instead of what you are doing personally.

Peace

Does that mean I'm going straight to hell also???

Or that I'm going straight to...wait for it...the SEC???:eek:

That's because Grossman was a horrible QB, and it wasn't only Chicago who was complaining. This guy put a bad name on QB'ing in the NFL with his lack luster preparation for a game. Remember what he said about the New Years game. He should have been benched right there. If Lovely wasn't so pigheaded and gave the backup a chance, who I believe was a veteran, they might have won the Super Bowl. Remember, it was the defense that took you there, an adequate QB (Trend Difford) and you probably would have won. Chicago fans weren't satisfied with just getting there, they wanted to win and they where rightfully worried with that guy at the helm. Remember, you play to win the game.
You are over generalizing right now. These type of questions don't come at you after every play. Once or twice a game. It sounds to me like you are getting a lot of teams/games where sportsmanship is not the priority. That is ashame for you because there are other games out there where this is not the case. However, in your situation you have to take control of your gym, and that requires a different mindset.