In case you haven't hear...Joey Crawford

[Coach Jinx]

No I'm not a fanboy & I'm not up everyone's *** who wears stripes either. I am however one of the best young officials I know(just ask me I'll tell you) don't believe me e-mail me & i'll send you my schedule for this year. Come out & watch someone who wants to get it right, not get in the way & LOVES OFFICIATING GAMES!!!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Coach Jinx

No I'm not a fanboy & I'm not up everyone's *** who wears stripes either. I am however one of the best young officials I know(just ask me I'll tell you) don't believe me e-mail me & i'll send you my schedule for this year. Come out & watch someone who wants to get it right, not get in the way & LOVES OFFICIATING GAMES!!!

Fanboy...LOL your a JOKE!!! Grow some & stop making excuses for everyone wearing stripes, YOU MAKE US ALL LOOK BAD!!!

Sigh....

Not one post ever about officiating, rules, or mechanics- in either football or basketball. Every post made to date is simply dumping on officials.

Methinks we got ourselves another 14-year old troll here, showing up just to bother the real officials.

Why don't you post your college schedule, fanboy?

[brandan89]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Why don't you post your college schedule, fanboy?

Or your varsity schedule for that matter.

[dave30]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Sigh....

Not one post ever about officiating, rules, or mechanics- in either football or basketball. Every post made to date is simply dumping on officials.

Methinks we got ourselves another 14-year old troll here, showing up just to bother the real officials.

Why don't you post your college schedule, fanboy?

Yeah, I wish I was 14 ! No college schedule, just high school. I'm a varsity official and I admit I am a "fan" of the Spurs (not a fanatic). I try to look at games objectively. Being "just" a high school official, I read much more than I post because I try to learn from officials who are better than I am. I wasn't dumping on Crawford. I don't like the fact that he was suspended for making a mistake. I make mistakes too. Apparently many of you on the forum are perfect. You are the ones I want to learn from.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by dave30

Yeah, I wish I was 14 ! No college schedule, just high school. I'm a varsity official and I admit I am a "fan" of the Spurs (not a fanatic). I try to look at games objectively. Being "just" a high school official, I read much more than I post because I try to learn from officials who are better than I am. I wasn't dumping on Crawford. I don't like the fact that he was suspended for making a mistake. I make mistakes too. Apparently many of you on the forum are perfect. You are the ones I want to learn from.

Uhmmm...unless you are posting under both dave30 and CoachJinx, you need to dake a deep breath and slow down here...the only one being disparaged for being a fanboy in this thread is Jinxie-poo. The specific comments you replied to here were a direct reply to Jinxed-up...not sure why you're getting your tail all bunched up here...

[jkjenning]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Uhmmm...unless you are posting under both dave30 and CoachJinx, you need to dake a deep breath and slow down here...the only one being disparaged for being a fanboy in this thread is Jinxie-poo. The specific comments you replied to here were a direct reply to Jinxed-up...not sure why you're getting your tail all bunched up here...

Visit the thread that was locked and see how critical opinions from officials, before the suspension was issued, were responded to.

[Nevadaref]

Dan_ref must be an old guy.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Dan_ref must be an old guy.

Someday you will be too. And if you "still have game" and you still love to ref, you might be singing a different tune.

There are several "older refs" in our HS association as well as the junior college games that I ref who are fantastic officials. They need to stay, not go! Experience is a huge asset.

Joey Crawford's 29 years are a credit to him. He made a mistake but to say that his experience is part of the problem is..... ignorant at best.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Dan_ref must be an old guy.

Whatever.

Thanks for avoiding my questions, reveals a lot about you that has nothing to do with your age, but everything to do with who you are.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by jkjenning

Visit the thread that was locked and see how critical opinions from officials, before the suspension was issued, were responded to.

You go back and read it and you will see that I am one of the "responders" - but I don't remember anyone wanting to really discuss the call or no-call, just wanting to dump on Joey Crawford - he kicked out the best player and that made the game horrible, he only called those T's to make Cuban happy, yada, yada, yada...once again, discuss calls and situations all we want to, but when you dump on another official like those earlier posts did then you'd better be ready to take it too...

[JoeTheRef]

Here's an interesting article by Pat Forde on ESPN.com. It also has video for the incident as well as interviews. Also, Duncan just got fined $25,000 for what he said either during or after the ejection.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/colum...pat&id=2840227

[dave30]

I just said I wish I was 14. He got the same replies I got before when I criticized the officials. I don't like being called a fanboy. He probably doesn't either. How do we know whether or not he is an official? Just answer his questions.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by dave30

I just said I wish I was 14. He got the same replies I got before when I criticized the officials. I don't like being called a fanboy. He probably doesn't either. How do we know whether or not he is an official? Just answer his questions.

What questions???

[PeteBooth]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Sigh....

Not one post ever about officiating, rules, or mechanics- in either football or basketball. Every post made to date is simply dumping on officials.

Hi Jurassic

I guess the basketball Forum has it's share of "flame wars" also.

It's a shame because the thread about Joey Crawford should have been titled something along the lines of "how is a Professional official Defined"

It's unfortunate in BIG Time sports that no matter how good of an official you are, you get noted for the ONE BAD call that you made.

We saw this in baseball as well.

Don Denkinger was an excellent baseball official as voted by the coaches and his peers, yet he will be simply be remembered for the Bad call he made in the KC / Cardinals World Series many years back. He received death threats, etc.

Another NBA official that is noted for ONE call that comes to mind is Hugh Holands. To this day the Knicks Bulls series of that era is noted as the "Hugh Hoands" call. I believe the call was on Scotty Pippen of the Bulls at the end of the game.

I do not think we can compare what we do whether you officiate football, basketball or baseball to the PRO level.

The PRO Game is about BIG TIME money - PERIOD. My gut tells me if Joey Crawford "dumped" Joe Smo who hardly sees action, it would have been a non issue, but it was Tim Duncan.

The same would be true of any Official who throws out a star player.

Hopefully after Commissioner Stern is finished with the investigation we will know the REAL truth as to what happened.

See you on the "other side"

Pete Booth

[Jurassic Referee]

[QUOTE=PeteBooth]

Hi Jurassic

I guess the basketball Forum has it's share of "flame wars" also.

It's a shame because the thread about Joey Crawford should have been titled something along the lines of "how is a Professional official Defined"

It's unfortunate in BIG Time sports that no matter how good of an official you are, you get noted for the ONE BAD call that you made.

We saw this in baseball as well.

Don Denkinger was an excellent baseball official as voted by the coaches and his peers, yet he will be simply be remembered for the Bad call he made in the KC / Cardinals World Series many years back. He received death threats, etc.

Another NBA official that is noted for ONE call that comes to mind is Hugh Holands. To this day the Knicks Bulls series of that era is noted as the "Hugh Hoands" call. I believe the call was on Scotty Pippen of the Bulls at the end of the game.

I do not think we can compare what we do whether you officiate football, basketball or baseball to the PRO level.

The PRO Game is about BIG TIME money - PERIOD. My gut tells me if Joey Crawford "dumped" Joe Smo who hardly sees action, it would have been a non issue, but it was Tim Duncan.

The same would be true of any Official who throws out a star player.

Hopefully after Commissioner Stern is finished with the investigation we will know the REAL truth as to what happened.

See you on the "other side"

Pete Booth

Yes, Pete, most of us certainly do have a fairly low tolerance when it comes to whining fanboys and pseudo officials. They'll never understand that it's never a matter of blindly backing up an official's call, right or wrong; it's more a matter of not tolerating the questioning of an official's integrity while questioning the call. I always thought that Don Denkinger was one of the best MLB arbiters going. Yup, he made a bad call, and he also had the terrible luck of making it at the worst possible time too. The same call in August in a nothing game basically gets ignored. Hell, I loved watching Richie Garcia work. He evolved from a young hothead into an umpire that really knew how to control tough situations. That didn't help Richie either. His legacy will always be that fan interference missed call in Yankee Stadium...unfortunately. Fanboys forget that officials in any sport are human and are going to blow one occasionally. The problem with some of the ones that come here is that they also want to assign motives to the missed call instead of just saying "Hey, he blew one". They'll never understand that no one will ever feel worse than the guy who finds out that he really did screw up a call. I sureasheck know the feeling.

The problem here is we really can't discuss these types of situations without the "Coach Jinx' of the world showing up.