OVER AND BACK?

[db]

Al shots at his/her basket. It doesn,t touch the rim, backboard, or any player. It hits the floor and bounces up into the air. A2 jumps up and grabs the ball in air. While airborn, A2 throws the ball into backcourt and A3 retrieves it. Violation???

[williebfree]

Team control was established in the front court when A2 secured the ball and tossed it into the backcourt. It becomes a violation when A3 touches it in the backcourt.

[RecRef]

Originally posted by db
Al shots at his/her basket. It doesn,t touch the rim, backboard, or any player. It hits the floor and bounces up into the air. A2 jumps up and grabs the ball in air. While airborn, A2 throws the ball into backcourt and A3 retrieves it. Violation???

The gray area is when A2 does not grab the ball but bats it back, airbore or not. Is the bat control? Not for me. BTW, airborn has nothing to do with it since he was in his front court when he jumped to get the ball.

I don't thing that even MJ could jump all-the-way for the backcourt to the basket.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by RecRef
The gray area is when A2 does not grab the ball but bats it back, airbore or not. Is the bat control? Not for me.

For the umpteenth time , during a period of no team control (such as during a try), team control is subsequently established when a player gains player control. Player control is defined as holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds. A bat is not a hold or a dribble. Sometimes, someone on the board will ask about a "controlled tap or bat". This comes under your judgement as to whether the player actually held the ball or not. Usually, the answer is "not."

[Hawks Coach]

Easy Mark of the 1027 posts - it may be the umpteenth time for you, but rec ref has a few less posts and probably is the first time for him. And nobody could have the time to go through all those old threads unless they were a very disturbed person. oh that's right, we are talking about refs here

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Hawks Coach
oh that's right, we are talking about refs here

...And coaches!

[RecRef]

Originally posted by Hawks Coach
Easy Mark of the 1027 posts - it may be the umpteenth time for you, but rec ref has a few less posts and probably is the first time for him. And nobody could have the time to go through all those old threads unless they were a very disturbed person. oh that's right, we are talking about refs here

Why thanks for covering my back coach! Yes I do know quite well the difference between a bat and player control of the ball. In that the original poster had no idea that player control and team control was gained when A2 grabbed the ball, I was adding the part about the bat.

Unfortunately, I have seen a number of my fellow refs miss this call. If we are talking about old threads, there is one from a month or so ago that argued the fine point about bating back and throwing back the ball as one goes OOB.

[devdog69]

ok, I am going to lay my a** out to dry here. Without even bothering to look it up, I am going to ask a stupid question. A1 is inbounding the ball at the baseline in the frontcourt. A1 throws the ball high and A2 jumps tips the ball which goes into the backcourt. A1 subsequently retrieves this ball. Is this a backcourt violation? And why?

[BktBallRef]

4 requirement for a BC violation.

1- Team control by A.
2- The ball attains FC status.
3- A Team A player is the last to touch the ball before it goes in the BC.
4- A Team A player is the first to touch the ball after it goes in the BC.

Are all 4 requirements met in your play?

I don't think so. Which one are we missing?

[RookieDude]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
4 requirement for a BC violation.

1- Team control by A.
2- The ball attains FC status.
3- A Team A player is the last to touch the ball before it goes in the BC.
4- A Team A player is the first to touch the ball after it goes in the BC.

Are all 4 requirements met in your play?

I don't think so. Which one are we missing?

We are missing #1) Team Control by A.

There is no team control on a throw-in.

RookieDude

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by RookieDude
We are missing #1) Team Control by A.

There is no team control on a throw-in.

RookieDude

Correct, dude.

[RecRef]

Originally posted by devdog69
ok, I am going to lay my a** out to dry here. Without even bothering to look it up, I am going to ask a stupid question. A1 is inbounding the ball at the baseline in the frontcourt. A1 throws the ball high and A2 jumps tips the ball which goes into the backcourt. A1 subsequently retrieves this ball. Is this a backcourt violation? And why?

You have your answer from others so I'll just ask you a question. If you would have written “at the division line/mid court” would you have looked at your problem in the same way? While I have seen the type of muffed inbounds a few times from the baseline that you asked about I have seen it a good number of times from the division line. Would not call it there so wyou would not call it from the baseline.