Billy Packer Gay Slur
 

I'll just let the evidence speak for itself. As the instructions say, load the advance the video to about the 35:30 mark, and hear for yourself

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusive...slurs-gays.php

The interview was conducted on Friday night before the Final Four.

I just heard about this today but haven't watched it yet. I think everyone that enjoys basketball is hopeful this will be the end of him working the finals every year.

I am not a Billy Packer fan. But his comments had little to do with being gay.

fag out
v : exhaust or tire though overuse or great strain or stress;
"We wore ourselves out on this hike" [syn: tire, wear
upon, tire out, wear, weary, jade, wear out, outwear,
wear down, fag, fatigue] [ant: refresh]

Here is a definition of the term he used. I am sure if folks would just read a dictionary or do an internet search, you would understand the term. Not every word has just one meaning. Also Charlie Rose is a smart guy, he did not react negatively at all about the comment.

Peace

There is precedent for an innocent and accurate term that sounds similar to a politically incorrect phrase damaging someone's reputation.

That said, I'm not Packer fan, but would like to see his career ended for valid reasons rather than for ignorant ones.

I agree.

Billy Packer deserves all the minor grief that comes his way, but this is just plain stupid. I believe 'fag out' is actually British slang that's been around forever.

btw...it took me a long time to convince myself that typing "packer gay slur" into google would be a wise thing to do...

I don't see the big deal here - since the American dictionary of slang lists this as
fagged (out) Adj. Exhausted, tired.

Which is I am sure exactly what he meant based on the sentence.
You always fagg out on that one.

I am not a Billy Packer FAN but I am tired of all this type of Crap
basically you can not say anything with out offending anyone these days.

If we're looking for valid reasons to dump him, can't we just go by 98% of everything he says is complete crap. I mean does CBS seriously think anyone enjoys listening to him. The radio announcers are 100 times better than TV.

If it was to be taken negativly Rose would have nailed him!

Now that might be taken as a gay comment.:D Sorry, it was just sitting there waiting to be said.

Let us not be silly. We know there are people that like listening to him. For one his is controversial. He is similar to Howard Cosell with the fact that he says things that rub people the wrong way, but they listen. If Packer took away any ratings, then he probably would not be on. I am sure CBS has done the research and found that he works for their ratings. Also with all due respect he is rather good at what he does. Now he might get off on tangents where he says things that are out of line, but after all this is entertainment. It is not just about accurate information. If it was do you think Doug Gottlieb would have a job?

Peace

If I weren't at least a little silly I wouldn't be dumb enough to enjoy getting yelled at on the court every night. :D I agree with what you say. He certainly gets a reaction from the audience. On the other hand, he gets the big games so of course his ratings are good. I'm watching the Final 4 no matter who I have to listen to. BTW, we should get rid of Doug Gottlieb as well. Around here, most of us had enough of him when he came up with the Rick Hartzell conspiracy theory a few years ago.

Remember his age and how the phrase "we had a gay time tonight!" implied nothing more than it was a terrific night - we enjoyed ourselves! To say I'm all fagged out was common when I was a kid, and I'm younger than Packer, and we had no concept of it possibly applying to homosexuals.

Funny you said that about Rick Hartzell. I ran into Hartzell at the Big Ten Tournament in March at the United Center. I had met his wife previously who also officiates. His wife was working Women's College game before I was working a Men's College game about 2 years ago. His wife was telling me a story about a game where Rick was working and Doug Gottlieb was doing some commentating. Sometime before or after the game, Rick had just had a copy of Referee Magazine (where he was featured in an article and the situation with Gotlieb was discussed in the article) and handed it to Gotlieb and walked away. I understand Gotlieb did not have much to say. ;)

Peace

That's hilarious. I worked with his wife earlier this season at a JUCO game. She is a very solid official and we had a good time on a crappy game. I should see both of them at a JUCO camp next weekend.

The first time I heard an older professor use the word "niggardly", I was shocked; until I found out that the dictionary meaning is "stingy". I don't think Packer deserves a whole lot of grief for this.

Of course there are, the ignorant masses don't know any better, because the networks force feed them schitck...Vitale over enthusiasm, Packer overly critical of calls, Rafferty kind of combines the two...they call the games to feed the fans view, the rooting fans view.

To knowledgeable basketball fans, especially those watching because they love the game and don't really have an interest in who wins or loses, they are as annoying as a hemorrhoid.

Just because "fans" may like them, doesn't excuse how poorly they actually call the game.

Unfortunately, as far as the networks are concerned, it does. If CBS though that what people really wanted was a portrayal of everything that happens in a game which is completely devoid of any personal factor, they would have fired almost every announcer a long time ago. The fact of the matter is, what they say doesn't matter to CBS, as long as they keep the people tuned in and watching. Sure, most people would watch the game without the commentators, but what about all the pregame (which brings in even more ad revenue) and all the little interjections they make about products or companies during timeouts.

CBS is a business, and as long as these guys are making them money, they don't care what they do.

I don't buy that argument, and here is why.

People tune in to watch the game, not the guys calling the game.

Undoubtedly the network does polls, and tracks mail to judge the popularity of their announcers, but I highly doubt CBS would lose one viewer of the final four if they canned Packer tomorrow.

I for one am tired of the delivery of product at the most basic level. Stop sucking the intelligence out of everything because you are afraid of losing viewers. Stop feeding the bottom feeders useless crap while making everyone else miserable.

This is the sports equivalent of the evening news spending more time on Anna Nicole Smith than real news.

Wasn't it the Flintstomes who used to "have a gay old time"?

BTW, I've NEVER heard anyone say they enjoyed listening to Billy Packer. :eek:

i enjoy listening to him -- in fact I have him tattooed on my arm and I just purchased the Anywhere you go Billy Packer boombox. It randomly spits out incorrect rules and strategies. in fact I just realized but the Cd player doesn't work and the radio gets no reception except for the Billy Packer channel. odd

Geeze you're right.

That explains a lot...

http://www.voicechoice.com/images/flintstone.jpg

Why do you think they still keep talking about Anna Nicole Smith? It is not because she was the most important person to our socieity or way of life.

Peace

Because she had big gabonzas?

No it is because the CIA FBI and NCIS are all in cahoots in cuasing her death because Dick Cheney is really the father of her Baby!
and
The referees for the NCAA tournement were kidnapped by some kid who bought a new car and hypnotized them before the game - I saw it on TV!

I hope Billy Packer never sings the Christmas Carol "Deck the halls" because when he sings "Don we now our gay apparel," some of you would think that means hes a crossdresser.

Does that mean (gasp) Anna Nicole Smith is actually Billy Packer in drag? That's disturbing!!!:D

Seriously, what he said SHOULD be a non-issue but that's not the media world we live in. I'm sure we'll have to put up with listening to him next season.

Here is what Dicitionary.com has to say about the verb fag:

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
fag1 /fæg/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fag] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, fagged, fag·ging, noun
–verb (used with object) 1. to tire or weary by labor; exhaust (often fol. by out): The long climb fagged us out.
2. British. to require (a younger public-school pupil) to do menial chores.
3. Nautical. to fray or unlay the end of (a rope).
–verb (used without object) 4. Chiefly British. to work until wearied; work hard: to fag away at French.
5. British Informal. to do menial chores for an older public-school pupil.
–noun 6. Slang. a cigarette.
7. a fag end, as of cloth.
8. a rough or defective spot in a woven fabric; blemish; flaw.
9. Chiefly British. drudgery; toil.
10. British Informal. a younger pupil in a British public school required to perform certain menial tasks for, and submit to the hazing of, an older pupil.
11. a drudge.


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[Origin: 1425–75; late ME fagge broken thread in cloth, loose end (of obscure orig.); sense development appar.: drooping end > to droop, tire > to make weary > drudgery, drudge (cf. relationship of flag1 to flag3); (def. 6) a shortening of fag end (a butt, hence a cigarette)]
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.
American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source fag 1 (fāg) Pronunciation Key
n.

A student at a British public school who is required to perform menial tasks for a student in a higher class.
A drudge.
Chiefly British Fatiguing or tedious work; drudgery.

v. fagged, fag·ging, fags

v. intr.

To work to exhaustion; toil.
To function as the servant of another student in a British public school.

v. tr.
To exhaust; weary: Four hours on the tennis court fagged me out.


[From fag, to droop (obsolete), perhaps from Middle English fagge; see fag end.]


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WordNet - Cite This Source fagged

adjective
drained of energy or effectiveness; extremely tired; completely exhausted; "the day's shopping left her exhausted"; "he went to bed dog-tired"; "was fagged and sweaty"; "the trembling of his played out limbs"; "felt completely washed-out"; "only worn-out horses and cattle"; "you look worn out" [syn: exhausted]

WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.


I hope this puts an end to the idea that this was a gay slur. To be honest, I did not know the complete definition of the word, except that it was British slang for cigarette, until now. I am glad I looked up its definition, because now I have added a new word to my vocabulary. I guess this dog is not too old to learn new tricks.

MTD, Sr.

I don't know how big her gabonzas were but she had some bodacious ta-tas'!:D

Spoken as an *Officer and a Gentleman*.

Thanks for being the first to do some research.
What an absurd accusation about a basketball icon that has helped make college basketball.

i would double and triple check this claim

LOL! A basketball icon?

The man simply loves to hear himself talk and knows nothing of the rules of the game.

Seriously?
This explains a lot. Thanks.

Really?

So when Packer explained why Oden got the two early fouls in the Georgetown game while the sportswriters were castigating the officials for "taking the game away from the fans" he was just talking to himself?

It is interesting, but not surprising, that you guys cannot stand criticism from
those who are not officials, but can be so virulent towards a profession in which you have no expertise.

Frankly, reading the comments of many on here who second guess their refereeing brethern based solely on TV coverage, makes me wonder about your professionalism.

When I read your comment about Packer having helped make college basketball I wondered about your sanity.

If Billy Packer were never born college basketball would not be 1 bit different than what it is today.

Billy Packer could disappear from the face of the earth tomorrow and college basketball would not skip a single beat.

If you say so.

However, the NCAA and CBS, which both rake in hundreds of millions of dollars for putting Packer on the games, will probably not agree with you.

I doubt seriously that CBS would gain or lose a viewer if Packer died tomorrow. And I doubt even more seriously that CBS even for a second thinks Packer is responsible for the success of ncaa basketball.

I continue to doubt your sanity as well.

It's also not surprising that you dick-headed, know-nothing, clueless fanboys show up here every year whining about something that you know absolutely nothing about. It's also not very interesting either. Ergo, piss off back to your La-Z-Boy and your channel changer, and resume doing what you do when you're not here annoying us.

Iow, piss off.

OK, since I work in the area of broadcast, does that mean that I can criticize him? Based upon your previous comment - I say yes.

Billy Packer is horrible. I do not know of a single announcer - and there are at LEAST a dozen others in my company - that thinks Billy Packer is any good at all. Obviously, you think he's talented so please explain to us one innovation that he has done to "make" college basketball. As for your other comment - Dean Smith, Bobby Knight, Coach K, Joe B Hall, John Wooden - all icons. Sportscasters? Chris Berman, Jon Miller, Curt Goudy, Brent Musberger - even Dickie V would all be iconic. Billy Packer? Is a guy who has held on to a position waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay past his prime (if he ever had a prime). Please tell us what you think makes him an icon?

You say we shouldn't criticize a profession that we know nothing about but yet you criticize us? Sheeeeeesh!

Wow.

Guess you told me.

Hey, Larry.

Learn to read.

When I was in HS one of our standard lines when a guy would start to smoke a cigarette was "You gonna blow a fag?" How great is sophmoric humor? A little knowledge in the wrong hands is a dangerous thing. :D

WOW, you got me didn't you!

You misspelled "in spite of". I'm just sayin'.

Yes, I did

You can always apply for the job.

What part of "piss off" didn't you understand, fanboy?

Go away.

It is very clear that you do not work basketball. You might work some baseball and softball, but I know how much easier that is to working basketball. I think you are out of your league on this topic. If you see Packer as a great guy that is OK, but he clearly gets basic things wrong when he opens his mouth. You do not have to agree; after all you are not a basketball official. I would not expect much else from you frankly.

Peace