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It looks like Yankees fans won't have to get used to a bunch of new faces after all.
As Alex Rodriguez and the team nears a new deal, Mariano Rivera told the Yankees on Monday that he will accept their three-year, $45 million contract offer. <!-- begin whole table --> <!-- end whole table --> Earlier this month, the Yankees agreed with longtime catcher Jorge Posada on a four-year, $52.4 million deal. |
The World Series MVP is staying with the Sox! 3 years and $37 mil or so. I'm pleasantly surprised that he turned down the 4-year offers from a couple other clubs.
I don't think anybody's mentioned it yet on here, but ARod won his 3rd AL MVP in the past 5 seasons. That's pretty amazing. He also led the AL this year in HRs (54), RBIs (156), and runs scored (143). Not a traditional "triple crown", but hugely impressive since only 4 other players have done that in the last 75 years (Maris, Mantle, Mize, Williams). |
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The World Series is often special for a moderately known player. Neat!:) |
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Very solid, but not very colorful. Kinda like that dull-green, short left field fence you got. :cool: |
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This seems like a pretty big deal, but nobody has mentioned it. (Maybe the thread has run its course. :( )
The Angels signed Tori Hunter for 5 years and $90 million. Hunter's been terrific in Minnesota, and for whatever reason, I just like him. I hope he does well out there. Angels also traded away a guy that Sox fans love: Orlando Cabrera. They sent him to the White Sox for John Garland. |
Pitcher Joe Kennedy, 28, dies in Florida after passing out
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Hey Chuck!!
Hey Chuck, check out this cool gift T-shirt for your daughter!
(I would suggest you get one for yourself but they don't have a size XXS) http://www.bustedtees.com/bt/images/..._thumb-927.jpg |
Whoa, Mick......
Miguel Cabrera <b>and</b> Dontrelle Willis? Say it ain't so....... Looking good for the Tigers. |
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It's nice that they're not in the East. |
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I'd have traded our 3rd. baseman for those two. You're right. Let 'em fight it out in the Central. |
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Miguel Cabrera Age: 24 Date of birth: Monday, April 18, 1983 Place of Birth: Maracay, Venezuela Hometown: Maracay, Venezuela Country: VEN HT: 6-4 WT: 240 Bats/Throws: R/R MLB Seasons: 5 Signed by Florida in 1999. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> |
Since this is the last known location of an actual Chuck Elias sighting (even rarer than stumbling upon Sasquash playing tennis with the Loch Ness Monster in an undisclosed area 51 location) I'll place this here to see if I can get the little bugger to come out of hiding and make a brief appearance. Enjoy....but be quiet or you'll scare him away...
http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comm...IDLink=3251019 |
What not a single post in this thread about the release of the Mitchell report! :eek:
I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you. |
For entertainment, see the Baseball forum's thread.
http://forum.officiating.com/showthread.php?t=40345 |
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I haven't heard much in the national media about that. Lots about Clemens personally; but almost nothing about an asterisk for the Yankees' 1999 and 2000 wins. Former Sox GM Dan Duquette, however, was recently seen in his custom made "I TOLD YOU SO!!" t-shirt. |
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Anyway...why are the Pats wins tainted? |
Clemens speaks out: "I want to state clearly and without qualification: I did not take steroids, human growth hormone or any other banned substances at any time in my baseball career or, in fact, my entire life."
I wonder if he was pointing his finger at a Congressman when he issued this statement. . . |
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Is it just me, or does anyone else look at Clemens' statement with the same degree of cynicism? "I did not take... any other <font color=red>banned substances</font color> at any time in my baseball career." There are many substances that were not banned by baseball, but were still considered illegal to obtain without a doctor's prescription. Or, perhaps, he found a "less than honest" doctor who could prescribe the substances for something other than their original intent. This way Clemens could say he was "legally" taking these substances, because he had the prescription. |
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Now, what am I missing that it was wrong for a player to take prescription, non-banned drugs? [You don't have to reply, I imagine it's way to complicated for me to grasp.] |
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I think in some cases the issue is a player taking a known, "banned by baseball" substance. In some cases, it might be a player receiving a substance that was not banned by baseball, but would be illegal in general society to receive without a doctor's prescription. In some cases, the doctor might prescribe the substance for the player, but the substance might be labeled to treat something entirely different than what the player is using it for. In the case of Mark McGuire, he was found using something that was not only <B>not</B> banned by baseball, but was able to be obtained at any GNC store in any mall in the country. Also, has anyone noticed there's a name noticably absent from the Mitchell Report? Has anyone seen Sammy Sosa's name mentioned anywhere? Afaik, he has never had a negative drug test, and has never been mentioned in any of these Balco scandals or the Mitchell Report. Maybe, in the minds of most fans, baseball is still the "old-fashioned" game we play in the backyard, so anything outside of that Norman Rockwell picture is considered "cheating". |
This is what I have to say about this whole thing and I think some will roll their eyes or get defensive.
Mike Wilbon is the only person on TV that I have seen that has said the obvious. The media doesn't jump on Clemens because they like him, but they have been jumping on Bonds for years because they don't like him. There are people on the Mitchell report that are coming out and admitting to doing what the Mitchell report says, but they are wrong about Clemens. I don't think so. I'm sure they've been testing Bonds recently, and he has bad knees, and he is other players are supposed to be the best in the game (A-Rod, Griffey at one time, Pujols or whatever the flavor of the day is), BUT they still don't pitch to Bonds. Why is that? I will tell you why, because he can flat out hit. He wasn't hitting 400ft popups like Sosa and McGwire, he hits the ball great and it goes out. Even with bad wheels, which help generate power, he is a threat. But they pitch to the suppsedly best players in the game. Sort of like all of Tiger's competition that has come and gone: Duvall, Garcia, Leonard, Vijay, Mickelson. The main difference is Tiger has his PR in check like Jordan. Don't for one minute think Tiger or Jordan are model citizens while having Barkley as one of their best friends. Sorry for the rant. :D |
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For instance, read the 3 daily NY papers today and see what they say about Clemens. If either of 'em had any defense at all, the lawsuits would be flying. You've never seen <b>one</b> from Bonds, and you'll also never see one from Clemens. A great Christmas present for me would be seeing a story saying that Clemens has been subpoenaed to appear before Congress. Let him get up in front of them and deny that he's a 'roid rat. |
If this is true, and I have no reason to not believe you, why doesn't the television media talk about it as much or run 100 polls asking what everyone thinks? Bonds has obviously been the target for a long time. I think the whole thing is funny.
Steroids or not, it is hard to deny the fact that Bonds is one of the most talented baseball players to ever live. On the other hand, pitching is a position that could be helped more by steroids. Especially if you've always been known as a power pitcher like Clemens. |
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I think the evidence is rather compelling that both Bonds and Clemens cheated. I think the evidence is rather compelling that both of them were great (Bonds, to a more obvious degree than Clemens) BEFORE they started cheating. So, they didn't cheat to keep their MLB jobs (like others surely did); instead, they cheated for glory or records or "domination" that they could not or would not earn honestly. I do feel some sympathy towards players like Pettitte and Roberts who dabbled and now have admitted. I do not feel any sympathy toward players like Bonds and Clemens who enhanced themselves regularly and now continue to lie about it. |
Of course you don't feel sympathy for Bonds - you probably don't like him either (an opinion many share that has been formed by the media). Pointing out a few articles doesn't compare to the years devoted to hunting down evidence on Bonds.
Here is part of what Heyman says about Bonds being a winner: "The point is drilled home again that he was far from the only user." Meanwhile, this is part of what is said about Clemens, the loser: "He is a superstar who's used to folks fawning at his feet, and 2) As an all-time great..." On the surface it may seem as though he is getting the same treatment, or worse, as Bonds, but I think you should review the last 5 years or so; Clemens has a lot of catching up to do! Any talk of putting an asterick on any of Clemens' Cy Young awards? :D |
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Fortunately, when it comes to Clemens, I have wisdom and fortitude. Apparently, the media has been telling me all my life to like him and fawn over him and think he's just swell. But I have found Clemens to be a self-absorbed prick and I don't like him or feel sympathy for him. Strange. Tomegun, are you serious about "review[ing] the last 5 years"? The evidence, such as it is, about Bonds came out a long time ago. The evidence, such as it is, about Clemens just came out. Should the media have criticized Clemens as much as Bonds based on an assumption that someday some evidence would materialize? Frankly, I think Bonds has a lot of catching up to do. Pete Rose (yet another self-absorbed prick whom I do not like and for whom I have no sympathy) has been vilified since way back in 1989, whereas through much of the 1990s Bonds was praised as one of the best players, if not THE best player, in baseball. And while we're at it, Larry Craig is getting a free pass from the media, too! I mean, they only started getting all over Craig this year when poor old Bill Clinton has been criticized for dropping his pants for many, many years. |
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http://www.boston.com/sports/basebal...g_on_th_1.html And that's from one of his fellow players too, not a sportswriter. I'm with bgtg19. Bonds, Clemens and Rose were and are azzholes. They all deserve everything they get. |
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Clemens has been soundly lambasted by the NY media, while Petitte has been lionized ("I only tried them twice", sort of like the old Clinton defense, "I didn't inhale.")
The media have harped upon Clemens' "banned substances" phrase, since steroid use was not banned by MLB until 2003 and HGH not until 2005. Michael Kay, the Yankee broadcaster who appears on the local ESPN radio outlet, claimed that taking steroids or HGH was as bad as what Pete Rose did, since both things jeopardized the integrity of the game. I don't think I need to go into how ridiculous that is, but how bad is what Clemens and Bonds have been vilified for? I think too many people think steroids and HGH are a magic formula for throwing a fastball or hitting home runs. The only thing they do is allow an athlete to lift weights more frequently. They don't need to take off for recovery like a typical weight lift regimen requires. The player still has to do the work to improve. The number of players on the list that made you ask "Who?" shows how little effect steroids really have. The player with talent can work to get significantly better, but the scrub or the lazy athlete is still a bush leaguer. The real impact of this is that all these former or current players have been named by 2 or 3 sources. This is just the tip of the iceberg. There is no doubt in my mind that this period of baseball history will long be referred to as the "Steroid Era" and that all accomplishments from this era will be viewed with an invisible asterisk, and that all players will be under suspicion for some time to come. ARod is sure to become ARoid at some near point of time. |
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JR, I feel the way I do about Bonds because I have actually met him and made my opinion based on how he treated me. I can't recall what, but his attitude with the media started because of something that either happened with his father or Willie Mays. I'm not going to have my opinion shaped by some interview when I met the man for myself. Also, I'm from the Charles Barkley school of thought on this one. An athlete is an athlete. I don't have to feel all warm and fuzzy about them, I'm just looking to see how they perform. Picking one, two, ten or twenty media sources to compare to all the media out to get Bonds isn't accurate. I also don't have the time to scour so many papers, sites etc. The witch hunt has been on for some time and unfortunately one of the fan-favorites got caught with his pants down. When talking about Clemens, if you are from houston, boston or new york your opinion could be biased. What is a good estimate of home runs Bonds would have had if he saw pitches like ARod or Pujols? 850? 900? |
Without the juice? 600. His career was undoubtedly prolonged, just as Clemens' was.
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I won't speculate on if they'd pitched to him and he was still on the juice. |
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And it's not that I didn't want to try to look at his numbers; I'm at work and was going off the top of my head. I'm willing to concede that my number might move closer to yours if I took a closer look at his numbers. Oh, and yep.:D |
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If I met Phil Spector and he treated me well should I think well of him despite the large mountain of evidence that he treated many, many women incredibly poorly (even if you don't think he killed Ms. Clarkson)? If I met Curtis Granderson and he was short with me should I think ill of him despite the large mountain of evidence that he treats people with generosity, respect and dignity? O.K., forget how Bonds treats people in the media. (Although, to be fair, if you are going to think of athletes as mere humans shouldn't you also think of journalists as humans? If someone in the media treated his father poorly, should Bonds stereotype ALL journalists and treat them all ill? Or is it an acceptable standard of decency to treat people as individuals? If Mike Winters treated me nicely when I met him at a baseball camp, should I whine at the media criticism of his out-of-line conduct? Or when he makes a mistake should I dislike all umpires? But I digress....) Yes, forget how Bonds treats the media. How does he treat his fellow players? How did he treat Gary Sheffield? What would prompt Sheffield to state: "I never wished anything bad on [Bonds]. I want him to achieve what he wants to achieve, but what I want more is that his life gets right. That he can have compassion for other people. And that's what I want the most."? |
I certainly think there are better authorities we could use for Bonds' character than Gary Sheffield. I wouldn't rest any opinion, on anything, on what Sheffield thinks.
I most definitely think there are better comparisons you could have made to Bonds than a serial rapist. That's just…. Good grief. |
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BTW, an interesting (or at least one that agrees with me) take on steroids not working - in the North Lake Tahoe Bonanza - http://www.tahoebonanza.com/article/...03031/-1/rss03 |
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Would you still feel that way if I told you that Sheffield was very nice to my son when signing a baseball at Comerica Park? And, just for the record, I didn't compare Bonds to Spector (just as I didn't compare Bonds to Granderson). I did compare the lunacy of basing one's opinion on how a person treats you (to the exclusion of other people) to the lunacy of basing one's opinion on how a person treats you (to the exclusion of other people). |
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If you don't have the time to check out more than a few media sources, but you're also saying that picking a few media sources to compare to all the media out to get Bonds isn't accurate, then how can your statement that the media is out to get Bonds be accurate? And what basis do you have to conclude that the media is actually shaping the publics' opininon of Bonds other than your fanboy admiration of him? The man is a 'roid monster and a liar imo. Btw, imo so is Clemens and a whole bunch of other MLB players. None of them are getting a free ride in the media either. The media is accurately reporting what they did. You're giving your opinion. That I respect, even though I completely disagree with it. |
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Does this mean that JR will stop mocking the Cubbies and start in on the Pads? |
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A couple of Prior's injuries were not actually pitching-related. One time he injured his shoulder trying to leap-frog a second baseman while running the bases, and another time his elbow was hit by a line drive. Wood's injuries have all been pitching-related. Now, if there's any way we can ship that damn goat out to San Diego.... |
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Oh, my!
The Tigers' bank seems far from broken, though. Once upon a time, they couldn't have envisioned being as financially competitive as they are now. Then again, once upon a time, $11.3 million also would have vaulted Cabrera to the top of anyone's payroll.
Not so anymore. Instead of being the highest-paid Tiger in 2008, Cabrera will be the fifth-highest. Magglio Ordonez leads the way at $15 million. Gary Sheffield will make $14 million, Pudge Rodriguez $13 million and Carlos Guillen $12 million. |
Welcome to the big-time, mick.
Since you've got connections, is there any way you can direct some of that cash flow towards your officiating buddies? And, finally, isn't there some forum rule about commenting on the 2007 baseball thread in 2008? :D |
Big bucks
1. Yankees, $218,311,394 2. Red Sox, $155,402,595 3. Dodgers, $125,581,316 4. Mets, $120,927,727 5. Cubs, $115,943,318 AL Central 9. White Sox, $100,189,832 12. Tigers, $98,519,780 21. Twins, $71,938,505 22. Indians, $71,887,236 25. Royals, $62,264,855 [from detnews.com] |
And Canseco is supposedly gonna out Magglio Ordonez for steroids in his book now.
Canseco is a douchebag. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like he's a lying douchebag. Nobody that he's named has sued him yet. |
Twins are outspending the Indians this year. Wow.
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Johan Santana ends up in NY!! :eek:
Oh wait. It's with the Mets. I feel better now. And it's actually not quite a done deal: "Santana has a full no-trade clause and can veto the deal unless he gets a contract extension, and it's expected that the Mets and Santana will begin negotiating as soon as possible." http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3220894 The Mets will give up 4 of their top 10 minor league prospects. Should be interesting in the next 3 or 4 years to see how much the Twins actually get out of the deal. The article says that the Mets' offer is probably only the fourth best offer that Minnesota received, but they couldn't (or wouldn't) pull the trigger on any of those. BTW, less than 4 weeks till pitchers and catchers report!!! |
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<HR blue> Santana to the N.L. --> All A.L. pitchers just got better. |
Except Sabathia. ;)
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Dee-troit won the off-season imo. Gonna be real tough. |
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