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jkjenning Tue Mar 27, 2007 01:09pm

charity pin {MLB, sorry}
 
This might be buried in that 39 page off-topic baseball thread, but in a sport's context in general, I think the MLB's decision to forbid Biggio from continuing to wear a charity pin on his cap is a poor decision. The following article sums it up well:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/s...d.3ae353b.html

A snippet of the article:
Quote:

Instead of making a spring-training allowance for players to sport a pin for their favorite, approved charity on a specific area of a cap, baseball's brand police acted quickly to force Biggio to remove a logo for the Sunshine Kids Foundation for young cancer patients.
A missed opportunity for some goodwill, imo - especially since the article points out he has worn the pin for the past two decades.

What motivated this to be addressed?

JRutledge Tue Mar 27, 2007 01:14pm

Would you like it if someone wanted to support a charity or an issue that you do not agree with? In my opinion this is not the place for that kind of expression.

Peace

Back In The Saddle Tue Mar 27, 2007 01:17pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge
Would you like it if someone wanted to support a charity or an issue that you do not agree with? In my opinion this is not the place for that kind of expression.

Peace

I agree. Nobody should be allowed to show any kind of support for any charity that somebody else might find offensive. We should get congress to ban the wearing of all pins on hats. If that won't work, maybe we should just ban the wearing of hats. :rolleyes:

OHBBREF Tue Mar 27, 2007 01:23pm

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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle
I agree. Nobody should be allowed to show any kind of support for any charity that somebody else might find offensive. We should get congress to ban the wearing of all pins on hats. If that won't work, maybe we should just ban the wearing of hats. :rolleyes:

If you ban hat's they will wear it on their shirts and if you ban shirts, they will wear it on their pants. then you would have to ban pants,

and then we would have nudity
which is probably better than anarchy

OHBBREF Tue Mar 27, 2007 01:25pm

this would be a perfect time to run over to the baseball page and mess with them over a completely inane rule and tell them how stupid it is! :eek:

JRutledge Tue Mar 27, 2007 01:25pm

So if I wore something that had a political edge to it, that would be OK? What about the Dufar crisis? What about PETA? What about something associated with the war in Iraq?

Where and when does it stop?

Peace

Jurassic Referee Tue Mar 27, 2007 01:26pm

http://www.sodamnfunny.com/Picture/Animal/ape.jpg
Stupid monkeys.....

Jurassic Referee Tue Mar 27, 2007 01:29pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge
So if I wore something that had a political edge to it, that would be OK? What about the Dufar crisis? What about PETA? What about something associated with the war in Iraq?

What about a Livestrong bracelet on a basketball player?

Just thought that I'd throw that in.......

Adam Tue Mar 27, 2007 01:31pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge
So if I wore something that had a political edge to it, that would be OK? What about the Dufar crisis? What about PETA? What about something associated with the war in Iraq?

Where and when does it stop?

Peace

Does it really have to stop anywhere? Sure, MLB has the right to do this, as would each individual team. I just don't see how it's helpful.
Celebrities are always taking up causes that aren't exactly universally supported.
This is for kids with cancer. Is there really anyone who's backing cancer in this fight?

Back In The Saddle Tue Mar 27, 2007 01:38pm

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Originally Posted by OHBBREF
If you ban hat's they will wear it on their shirts and if you ban shirts, they will wear it on their pants. then you would have to ban pants,

and then we would have nudity
which is probably better than anarchy

It would certainly be more interesting than anarchy. :D

jkjenning Tue Mar 27, 2007 01:39pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
This is for kids with cancer. Is there really anyone who's backing cancer in this fight?

One glimmer of acceptance of this as a valid topic... so on the whole, this is not a well received post! :)
It was striking to me because of what I highlighted and underlined in the OP, but whatever.

M&M Guy Tue Mar 27, 2007 01:40pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
This is for kids with cancer. Is there really anyone who's backing cancer in this fight?

I'm skeptical - surely there's someone who likes cancer? :eek:

Anyway, I'm sure it's not the issue of this particular charity. It's the issue of where to draw the line, and who gets to make that decision. So, instead of someone having to approve what is allowed, and what isn't (a full-time position, with a part-time staffer needed...), they just say none at all. Makes it a lot simpler.

JRutledge Tue Mar 27, 2007 01:41pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Does it really have to stop anywhere? Sure, MLB has the right to do this, as would each individual team. I just don't see how it's helpful.
Celebrities are always taking up causes that aren't exactly universally supported.
This is for kids with cancer. Is there really anyone who's backing cancer in this fight?

Celebrities are doing so in their personal lives. Major League Baseball players are employees of a team and a league. This is no different than the NFL or NBA which does not allow personal expression on their uniforms or the players will be fined. Not only am I not surprised by the ruling, it should be expected. I know as an official I cannot wear personal expressions of charity or other political statements. That would be considered unprofessional. This is not about the specific charity, but the over all expression of such things and following a standard. If any player wants to support a charity, they have plenty of opportunities to do so. They do not need to put something on their uniform to show support for a charity.

Peace

M&M Guy Tue Mar 27, 2007 01:43pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Awww...these monkeys are actually cute.

Because of that, maybe we should advertise and get more of these cute ones on the forum?

Jurassic Referee Tue Mar 27, 2007 01:45pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
It's the issue of where to draw the line, and who gets to make that decision. So, instead of someone having to approve what is allowed, and what isn't (a full-time position, with a part-time staffer needed...), they just say none at all. Makes it a lot simpler.

You are wise beyond your years.

Except for that Cubs thingy......

Note that this isn't a problem for NCAA and NFHS sports. You just ain't gonna wear <b>anything</b> unless the rulesmakers have specifically OK'd it.

Jurassic Referee Tue Mar 27, 2007 01:46pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Awww...these monkeys are actually cute.

Because of that, maybe we should advertise and get more of these cute ones on the forum?

Note that the one on the left has a Dan haircut.

Cute l'il bugger anyway.

M&M Guy Tue Mar 27, 2007 01:48pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
You are wise beyond your years.

Except for that Cubs thingy......

Oh, yea?!?

Well, just wait 'till next year!

(Oh, wait, this season hasn't even started yet.)

Never mind.

Dan_ref Tue Mar 27, 2007 01:49pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Does it really have to stop anywhere? Sure, MLB has the right to do this, as would each individual team. I just don't see how it's helpful.
Celebrities are always taking up causes that aren't exactly universally supported.
This is for kids with cancer. Is there really anyone who's backing cancer in this fight?

Depends. Which kids?

Just a joke! Relax!

Gotta say I agree with Jeff. If MLB decides anyone can wear whatever pin they like it's only a matter of time before someone gets POed by a pin supporting lawyers, the French or even gawd forbid the metric system.

A lot easier to let no one wear them than it is to decide which pins are potentially troublesome.

Jurassic Referee Tue Mar 27, 2007 01:51pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Well, just wait 'till next year!

Yup, things will be just fine after Prior and Woods come off the DL.

Next year.

M&M Guy Tue Mar 27, 2007 01:55pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Yup, things will be just fine after Prior and <font color = red>Woods</font color> come off the DL.

Next year.

What?!? Tiger's on the DL?!? :D

Well, if you meant Mark and Kerry, we don't need 'em anymore. Of course it's taken 5 years for them to figure that out. :rolleyes:

Dan_ref Tue Mar 27, 2007 02:21pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Note that the one on the left has a Dan haircut.

Cute l'il bugger anyway.

Seems like you're in the news again.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...y.25c130e.html

Jurassic Referee Tue Mar 27, 2007 02:32pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Seems like you're in the news again.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...y.25c130e.html

Oh, yuck......

Must be a Maverick's fan.......

FrankHtown Tue Mar 27, 2007 03:20pm

Yeah...being from Houston, I can tell you why MLB is upset; It's not an officially licensed product. MLB doesn't get a cut of every pin sold.

Biggio needs someone to show him the path of righteousness and truth. Who's that kid from Huntington????

Oh, and I was in Vegas last week, and the Cubs were even money to win the Central. They should have had a line on when Pryor or Woods would go down.:D

JoeTheRef Tue Mar 27, 2007 03:24pm

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Originally Posted by FrankHtown
Yeah...being from Houston, I can tell you why MLB is upset; It's not an officially licensed product. MLB doesn't get a cut of every pin sold.

Biggio needs someone to show him the path of righteousness and truth. Who's that kid from Huntington????

Oh, and I was in Vegas last week, and the Cubs were even money to win the Central. They should have had a line on when Pryor or Woods would go down.:D

The oddsmaker knew better... Woods just went down:

AP Sports Writer

MESA, Ariz. — Kerry Wood's chances of being ready for opening day were dashed by another injury. The Chicago Cubs' former ace hurt his right shoulder pitching in relief Sunday and was experiencing more stiffness than usual Monday, one week before the Cubs open the season in Cincinnati.

Scrapper1 Tue Mar 27, 2007 04:04pm

This seems similar to me to the NFL's stance on Jake Plummer's patch in memory of Pat Tillman. He was required to remove it, even though everyone agreed that Tillman was a fine man, a brave soldier, and had the conviction to give up millions of dollars to fight for something he believed in.

The problem isn't the message. It's just about the uniform. If everybody is allowed to show off their favorite charity, the uniform is no longer uniform.

I agree that it's pretty dumb that it took 15 years or whatever for them to figure that out, though.

WhistlesAndStripes Tue Mar 27, 2007 05:37pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge
So if I wore something that had a political edge to it, that would be OK? What about the Dufar crisis? What about PETA? What about something associated with the war in Iraq?

Where and when does it stop?

Peace

You mean People Eating Tasty Animals?? :D

http://www.cronander.net/images/Saskatoon.jpg

WhistlesAndStripes Tue Mar 27, 2007 05:42pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
This is for kids with cancer. Is there really anyone who's backing cancer in this fight?

OK, just for the hell of it, I'll cheer for the cancer. After all, in this "no one can be labelled a loser" mentality that society wants us to live in, someone needs to stand up and cheer for the bad guy. And besides, as the board's designated villain, I'm sure you all would expect no one but me to do so. :D


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