Why isn't uniform rule being enforced at the end of game?
 

Taking off the jersey's on the playing court, or pumping your shirt out after a big win. I know this is unsportsmanlike conduct in Fed., and I believe the rule is the same in NCAA. Players are clearly taking there shirts off before the referee's have left the court and none of the NCAA officials are calling it.

At the end of the Winona State game, players started taking there shirts off throwing it in the air. One shirt hit a Winona player in the head before they shook hands. He had to throw it off. I know the officials where still on the court because they had to review the last second play. I'm seeing to much of this at the end of these games. Even at the end of HS games. Players are taking there shirts off, pumping their chests, etc.

I must say, I would be hard pressed to call that technical, knowing it would change the outcome of the game. My question is, why are we turning our backs to this? Or, is this even a problem you would ever try to administer? I know we can go back and forward on this, but I'm interested in hearing different opinions on this subject.

The rule isn't the same in the NCAA, for one.

The rule isn't the same. There is no corresponding rule in NCAA.

its called enjoying the moment -- what do you expect players to quietly just smile and walk off like its an every day thing.

i think this is idiotic post #531. nice streak -- even Ripken Jr. would be nervous at the rate you are going

You answered your own question...

So because they are enjoying the moment, you say to ignore the rules. In the Fed., this was a point of emphasis, I believe it was last year, might have been this year. If the kids are pumping there shirt chest out, in the face of the opponent after winning the game. You don't think this is unsportsmanlike? If they where to do it in the game, it would be a T but after the game, it's okay.

In Fed., if the player was to pull his shirt tail out as he's going off the court to go sit on the bench, this is a T, but when the games over and they do this and the officials have not left the court, we turn our heads.

1. It's not the rule in college.
2. I hadn't thought about whether to call this in HS. I can't imagine calling it, and 99.9% of the time, I've got back back turned because I'm heading off the court with my partners when the game is over. I can't imagine they want us inserting ourselves into post-game celebrations. It's different than a coach or player hunting you down and cussing you out. I'd have to see how the fed rule is worded, though.

First of all there is no such rule at the NCAA Rule. So there is no rule to ignore as it relates to this situation.

Secondly, if you are doing your job, you are not on the floor or watching this. I know if a game ends like this it is time to leave the court. This is not something I am looking to call or looking for. Sorry, but I am not staying on the court to watch every celebration at the end of a game.

Peace

Good thing to know about the NCAA. I'm pretty sure that in the NCAA if you take your jersey off in the game and throw it up in the air, that that's a T. Let's say that the game is not over and further review of the monitor shows the shooter did not get the shot off in time. Now, what do you do? Just let the players go collect their shirts and put them back on with no additional penality?

I agree with you, I'm getting off the floor too but I'm wondering if we are not all employing a double standard here. Some rules we're going to enforce and other rules we going to let go because the game is over. Where does that end? I'm not going to enforce the rule because the guy scored the basket.

I thought in some earlier posts that OS stated he worked NCAA.... If he has, then he should know the rule....

Hmmmmmmmm

This could be taunting, but I'd have to be there.
There's precedent for this, in that there are lots of things that are T's during the game but aren't once it's over.

Old Schmuck said that if it affects the outcome of the game, he isn't going to call it...then he bemoans the fact that it isn't being called...what a moron.

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Just looking for opinions, figured I play both sides of the aisle to stimulate the discussion.

Just to stimulate discussion: Is calling Old School a stupid monkey insulting to monkeys everywhere?

Or do monkeys just laugh when he screeches too?

dunno dan -- maybe that should be put to poll?

Based on your vast D-I experience?

Dan: Yes and yes.

MTD, Sr.

I don't have my rule book with me at work but I do not think this is a T, by rule. I believe the rule states a player cannot "remove" his/her jersey on the court. Simply untucking it is not a T, by rule. Now, it could be considered unsportsmanlike if done in that manner, but it could also be that the shirt is uncomfortable and it feels better to untuck it. Someone correct me if I am wrong on this. Thanks.

How does calling someone a moron add substance to the debate other than demeaning yours?

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It's simply a matter of truth in advertising.

Nobody cares what you think. Look it up in the rule book and post it. Then, and only then, will someone believe you.

What debate are you referring to?

How can there be substance added to what was posted? Iow, he said he would NOT call it, but then complains that it isn't being called (didn't I already point that out?)...how can anyone add substance to that?

And demeaning my what?

After you're here a while, you understand why this guy is refered to as a moron.

1- He doesn;t know the rules.
2- He refuses to accept the rules when cited by others.
3- His philosophies are archaic and contrary to everything that's ever been published regarding officiating.

The worst thing is that his misinformation easily confuses those who don't know any beter.

Yes, he's a moron.

Wouldn't it be better and more professional to answer and move on?
Seems to me responding over and over with insults never discourages anyone from firing back.

Just trust them, jim - the choice is to either ignore OS or to make it easy to distrust what OS says so that casual/new forum readers do not take what he/she says and use it as if it was given in good faith and with sound rules backing.

I think OS is just stirring the pot and not really interested in rules-centric discussion - it is distracting and it could easily cause confusion.

It's not about being professional. It's about ensuring his answers aren't taken seriously.
That, and entertaining ourselves in the process.

The worst thing is that his misinformation easily confuses those who don't know any better.

That can't be ignored.

My my my....

Do you honesty think officials that frequent this site are that naive? You really need to get over yourself. You don't fight fire with fire unless you want to burn everything up. The man is trying to educate you. You are trying to convince everyone to dislike me and I think they would like to make up there mind on that themselves without your help. That's what a real man does.

Isn't it unethical to discredit another official? Oh, that's right! The same rules don't apply to you, they just apply to the other guy. Hypocreit...!!!

You misspelled "a troll."
And the answer is no.

Old School:

Tony tells it like it is. You are ignorant of the rules of basketball, PERIOD!! I have advised you many times not to post until you have taken a basketball officiating course and learned how to officiate. That way you would have some knowledge of the rules. But you do not want to learn and improve yourself so you continue to make a fool of yourself with your idiotic postings.

MTD, Sr.

And you sir, are ignorant PERIOD!!!! Now go back to the hole you just crawed out of before I smash you like a bug, rodent!

I think the point is that the question has been answered and further discussion is pointless.

There is no rule about taking off shirts in the bench area in the NCAA. THere's nothing else to discuss. At this point we don't need to refute OS any more, since any newbie can see clearly that there's been an answer to the question. We can now all breathe a sigh of relief and confine our refutations and name-calling to other threads where they will serve to help newbies and lurkers fully understand the nature of what it means to be....

Old School.

OS:

Please define the word ignorant.

Dictionary.com gives the following defintion for the word ignorant:

–adjective
1. lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
3. uninformed; unaware.
4. due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.

You are ignorant of the rules of basketball. Game, set, and match.

MTD, Sr.