Announcers Said He Traveled

[CLH]

This freaking ridiculous guys, the announcers are all idiots. I knocked over my water and spilt a bowl of ice cream on this one. GREAT play by the kid, GREAT no call by the officials. The reason its a no call is because there is NO CALL TO BE MADE. This is just driving me nuts. Travel my ***.

[Johnny Ringo]

During March Madness, CBS ought to do what NBC does with golf. The golf coverage always has David Fay available to explain a ruling at the U.S. Open. Why not have a retired official available on the set for this sort of thing???? It would help explain these sort of situations to all who watch on television that have no idea when it comes to the rules of the game.

[ncaabbref]

It really favored the "up and under" move that the women use quite a bit that the fans always scream "walk" when i see it. But I think that he pushed off the right, stepped with the left and shot.....I am presently listening to the idiotic announcers on ESPN act like they are experts. once again, "ugly"="travel" in the minds of the uneducated, especially Doug Gottleib. That little snot nose pretty boy doesn't know crap....

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by ncaabbref

It really favored the "up and under" move that the women use quite a bit that the fans always scream "walk" when i see it. But I think that he pushed off the right, stepped with the left and shot.....I am presently listening to the idiotic announcers on ESPN act like they are experts. once again, "ugly"="travel" in the minds of the uneducated, especially Doug Gottleib. That little snot nose pretty boy doesn't know crap....

This is, of course, the downside of technology. We now have the capability to slow down, freeze, and replay forever and find a reason to overturn a call or bash an official. And officials are just as hard on other officials as fans are.

Case in point was the Oden foul in the Xavier game. None of the game announcers, sportswriters, or the Xavier coach made much more of the foul than what it was, a foul. Yet officials on this forum wanted an intentional foul called based, solely, on replays and youtube video.

No call or decision by an official can be judged in a vacuum. Instant replay in football does no one any good if the play has to be viewed ad nauseum until a decision can be reached. It serves only to slow the game down.

Whether there was travelling or not by Georgetown is a non issue since no official at the highest level of the NCAA would make that call based on a real time view. It is only controversial when it is slowed down and even then you have a debate.

As officials we need to advocate and educate the media on not only the rules but how we apply them, i/e what constitutes a block/charge call in basketball, what kind of tag in baseball always means an out, how is interference in football judged...etc.

CBS's example of the Georgetown travel was unfair to the crew working the game.....we need to make sure that kind of distortion is avoided in the future

[mplagrow]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

As officials we need to advocate and educate the media on not only the rules but how we apply them, i/e what constitutes a block/charge call in basketball, what kind of tag in baseball always means an out, how is interference in football judged...etc.

Wouldn't it be easier (and more gratifying) to just round them up and beat them with clubs?

This reminds me of a saying I heard this weekend. "The greatest instinct of man is to impart knowledge. The second greatest is to resist it."

I think what you are advocating would prove this true.

[Big2Cat]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

Case in point was the Oden foul in the Xavier game. None of the game announcers, sportswriters, or the Xavier coach made much more of the foul than what it was, a foul. Yet officials on this forum wanted an intentional foul called based, solely, on replays and youtube video.

Not entirely true. I started the post immediately after he shoved the guy out of bounds and said that I probably would have called an intentional. I didn't watch a replay or Youtube before I posted. I never bashed the officials. However, I understand what you are saying--I wasn't where the official was...maybe he was straight-lined and didn't see it take place. Maybe he was looking elsewhere. Who knows? It was a quick play.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

Case in point was the Oden foul in the Xavier game. None of the game announcers, sportswriters, or the Xavier coach made much more of the foul than what it was, a foul. Yet officials on this forum wanted an intentional foul called based, solely, on replays and youtube video.

Let it go.

Originally Posted by jimpiano

As officials we

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[TRef21]

I thought it was a travel when I first saw it. On the replay i thought it was also, I would like to see it again though. Even if it was, in that situation would you call it? Just a thought...

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by TRef21

I thought it was a travel when I first saw it. On the replay i thought it was also, I would like to see it again though. Even if it was, in that situation would you call it? Just a thought...

I taped the game because the Hoyas were playing. I have gone back and watched the play several times. Here are the facts:

1. Green loses the ball on the play so there is no pivot foot that matters until he recovers the ball.

2. Once he recovers the ball, he steps with his LEFT foot, thus his RIGHT foot is his pivot.

3. He now does a reverse pivot with his back to the basket by stepping with his left foot. He finishes the move by lifting his right foot, spinning towards the end line on his left foot, and without ever touching his right foot to the floor jumping off his left foot into the air and making a one-handed shot.

Since the pivot foot was lifted, but not returned to the floor before the ball was released on a try, there was no traveling violation. Good basket, the announcers know nothing, and Georgetown wins!

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by TRef21

Even if it was, in that situation would you call it? Just a thought...

Absolutely would.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by TRef21

I thought it was a travel when I first saw it. On the replay i thought it was also, I would like to see it again though. Even if it was, in that situation would you call it? Just a thought...

Back to the rule book then back to as many games - to see plays - as possible. You should make the call if it is there, but you have to know if it is there first.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by Big2Cat

The final shot in the Hoya game. I am so tired of these announcers who don't know the rule. They kep talking about how his left foot was the pivot foot and that as soon as he lifted it, he traveled. Why won't these networks just hire an official that knows the rules? Drives me crazy. It was mainly Seth Davis.

You can lift your pivot, it just cant be returned to the floor.