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The coaches in my province, caving in to pressure from Basketball Canada, have voted to have high schools play FIBA rules next year.

As a result, I will now be restricted to enjoying everybody's stories on the forum, and the arguments, and perhaps showing the odd YouTube video.

Many officials feel NFHS is the better route. Hence, all of you are now my idols.

I'm sorry for your loss.

good riddance :)

Same in Manitoba.

I have now come full circle. I started my officiating career under FIBA rules, went to Fed., then NCAA (with modifications), now back to FIBA. Clinics are going to be fun this summer.

It can be fun, though!
 

It is still basketball, after all. The game you love (I hope). And by the way, I would like to have more FIBA related rules talk here on the forum :D

CU in FIBA land ...

Kostja

That's apparently what happened in BC. I started when we were doing modified NCAA but lots of guys have been frustrated by constantly having to learn new rules.

Which rules do you think we ought to play, SmokeEater?

Snaqwells: thank you for your condolences.

deecee: on behalf of everybody else, welcome to the forum :)

It looks like fiba will be the rules from coast to coast to coast. I believe the rational is that fiba is the international game, so why would Canada play under U.S. high school and college rules, when we compete rarely against these teams at elite levels, but we do play with fiba rules for Olympic qualifying etc.. I'd be happy to have some fiba threads start here. It can get somewhat confusing reading all this u.s. high school references, but the game is very similar.
Major changes from my point of view include:
24 second shot clock
ball may be legally thrown over the back board
front court inbound must be passed into front court
5 sec. closely guarded can occur in back AND front court
clock is stopped in last two minutes after a made basket
5 seconds to attempt a free throw
technical foul = 2 shots + ball at half court
wide key

I personally find this one kinda of silly: you hold the thumb, index and middle finger to signal three point attempt VS. the pinky, ring and middle in ncaa rules.

If you havent already looked at it, here is the two man fiba referee guide:
http://www.fiba.com/asp_includes/dow...sp?file_id=325

As an aside, I believe there has been much speculation that US Olympic efforts have fallen short recently because of their inability to adapt to fiba play at the international level.

Also see this chart for a comparison of fiba, nba and ncaa rule differences:
http://www.usabasketball.com/rules/rules.html

Canada Basketball has really been pushing FIBA rules over the last few years by threatening to take funding away from provincal associations etc.... University coaches in Ontario voted unanimously (21 to 0) to keep NCAA rules yet they are switching to FIBA because of the funding issue (at least that's my understanding).

Personally I like NCAA rules which could be adapted for high school (similar to Federation) but nobody's interested in what I think. Our job is to referee with the rules that the leagues have adopted not to mandate what rules they play.

BTW Canuckref, I don't think it's a big deal which three fingers you use. I use the last three fingers to signal an attempt for FIBA games and no one has ever said anyhting; I think evaluators have bigger concerns than which fingers are used. I know some people on this board will disagree with that last statement.

J

Yeah, some folks on this board have a favorite finger, that's for sure.

And some hold up three and tell you to read between the lines.

We've been using FIBA for CCAA games for a couple years. High Schools are switching next year, as are CIS Men (which surprised me, to tell you the truth).

Really, it's no big deal. The big change for coaches will be calling TO's through the table, and not being able to call them during play.

Also:

8 sec continuous backcourt count, meaning if checked out in BC, offensive team does not get "a new 8", but rather what is left on the count.

Scoring team cannot call timeout after basket, though scored-on team still can

4 quarters of 10:00

Last 2:00 of game - offensive team calls timeout with ball to resume in the BC - ball will automatically be advanced to halfcourt after the TO

Player must land both feet on ground for act of shooting to end

Player can shoot FT's with no other players on the lane

No FT violations called on either team if FT goes in - except for shooter

Penalty (not bonus) on the 5th foul in a quarter - 2 shots

Shooter gets capped = travel, not AP

Like I said, when the change first came, I was dreading it, but it's not such a big deal. Most of the action-related rules in FIBA are identical to NCAA/NFHS now anyway.

Could you elaborate on this? "Checked?" Does this mean if the ball goes OOB or a timeout is called at, say, 4 in the BC count. The count will start from 4 once the ball is inbounded?

There are no timeouts called during play. That's part of the rule change....in FIBA, you can only call TO by requesting it to the scoretable, and then it will be awarded during the next dead ball.

The second part of your scenario is correct....the count will "resume" at four seconds, and will not "re-start".

Team control also starts as soon as a player out of bounds is ready to inbound the ball.....cheers

Aren't there also some differences in the basket interference rules. I'm pretty sure that at some point, the rule was that once the ball hit the rim, all GT and BI rules were "discontinued" (so to speak). So as long as the shot had already hit the rim, you could go into the cylinder to rebound it, or dunk it, or whatever. Is that still true?

Well I think that FIBA makes the most sense in order to be competetive nationally and internationally. It is the easiest to learn and play under as long as all levels of ball adopt it (which is the plan here).

Here is the link I will be using to adapt to the new ruleset. http://www.fibaamericas.com/reglas_us.asp

There is no cylinder altogether. A passage can be catched and dunked even directly above the basket. When the ball hits the ring on a try, the ball is playable by everybody, unless it is in the basket (that is, some part of it is under ring level inside the basket) when only an offensive player can touch it.

It is of course forbidden to reach through the basket from below and touch the ball; unfortunately, after the ball has touched the ring, this is not BI, but a simple violation. There are rumors that this will be changed back to BI.

Touching the ball when it is completely above ring level after it has hit the backboard is goal tending (it doesn't matter, in this case, the direction of the flight, upward or downward).

When does it restart? When the ball is established in bounds or when the thrower gets the ball for the throwin?

The 8 second count will "restart" once control is established in bounds.

There's a simple reason for that. In some european countries showing the pinky, ring and middle fingers is a quite rude gesture. Therefore fiba officials show thumb, index, middle insted. And also (I think) becuse it's not as easily mistaken for nr.4 as with the Ncaa signal.

And I wouldn't mind a little more fiba discussion around here;)

Its comming starting in June here. Can't wait :rolleyes:

you learn something new everyday here, thanks for the sensitivity training, I'll be more careful with my fingers!

I think it's ironic that a game that was invented by a Canadian while working in the United States is now going to be played in Canada under European rules.

That's just FEEBLE. :(

Good grief, why would the count resume before the ball is inbounded? :confused:

Are there any sets of rules where this occurs?

Wow, you're quite the global thinker.

Not.

Yes Quite IRONIC ....

save your thrusts and parries for you leotarded fencing matches.

irony would be ia a american fiba official does a game at the international level when the usa loses (oh wait, this happens all the time now:( )

perhaps the name of the forum should more accurately be called "american refs who only travel in the tri state area to ref a limited set of rules loosely based on nhfs/ncaa, but we make changes wherever we feel like rules don't adhere to our ball size and intelligence"

just a friendly suggestion!

Yes, because by definition the shot ends as soon as it hits the rim, and GT and BI only apply to shot situations.

OK - next time your country is at war, you can have just the French on your side. :eek:

Dude, I was just asking.

There are several tri-state areas...which one are you referring to?

Around here, it would be Oregon, Washington and Dieblersylvania. :p

You being an experienced, knowledgeable official, I was just surprised that you would even ask that.

People have this idea that FIBA rules is like playing on Mars or something - when in fact, it's still basketball....fouls, travelling, double-dribble - most of the basic, major stuff is the same.

Not Mars - France. :p

:rolleyes:

There is no "cylinder" above the ring. As soon as the ball touches the ring, or sits on the ring, it is anybodys ball to rebound or tip in. I have seen so many American players hesitant in rebounding or tipping the ball when it is in this cylinder when playing to Fiba rules.....cheers

Fair enough point. I thought I knew the answer, because it doesn't make sense to me to start the count before the ball is in bounds. But, before I read it in this thread, I would have never guessed you wouldn't start the count over completely in this situation. Therefore, I thought it was at least worth asking the question to clarify for me. I didn't mean to insinuate that FIBA rules were written by Vulcans.

I think I remember hearing that in international rules, "alley oop" plays are illegal also. Is this true? Does a player who jumps to catch a pass near the rim have to come down before shooting?
Note, this could easily be another bit of misinformation I gleaned from clueless announcers watching Olympic basketball growing up.

For a while, FIBA outlawed the alley-oop - but legalized it about 15 years ago.

Our country goes to war?!

The eight seconds in the backcourt rule was modified three years ago, making it similar to the shot clock rule. The eight second count in the backcourt used to restart from 8 every time a player started team control of a live ball in the backcourt. Now the count is not reset when the ball becomes dead for going OOB or for a jump ball situation (held ball, double foul) if the same team maintains the possession (because of the AP arrow, of course, in the latter case).

Yeah - don't you remember back in 1873 when you were invaded by Liechtenstein? You guys fought for about an hour and a half. :confused:

I thought you guys were referring to the burning of the White House by drunken Canadians during the War of 1812 "...and the rockets red glare..."

ok, this thread has run its course.

Well it had until you bumped it....

....oh wait.....




....dang. :(