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Nevadaref Sun Mar 11, 2007 05:08pm

Discuss the Seeds here!
 
This thread is for people who have nothing better to do than debate the seeding for this year's NCAA tournament. Also, we'll accept discussion about teams that were included or were left out in this thread.

The #1 seeds are Florida, North Carolina, Ohio State, and Kansas.

BktBallRef Sun Mar 11, 2007 05:17pm

MIDWEST

Obviously, winning your conference tourney carried a lot of weight.

Surprised at Florida being the #1 overall seed.

The ESPN bunch were debating Drexel and ODU.

Dan_ref Sun Mar 11, 2007 05:19pm

I really like caraway seeds, they have a very complex aroma and taste. Sesame seeds are nice toasted on a hot pan. Poppy seeds I can live without. Pumpkin seeds are tasty roasted with lots of salt.

BktBallRef Sun Mar 11, 2007 05:21pm

WEST

Tubby Smith has a job for a few more weeks.

Va Tech seeded below Maryland?

VCU and Duke = an interesting matchup.

Illnois sneaks in. Gotta be the last team in.

Pitt and UCLA down the road.

Nevadaref Sun Mar 11, 2007 05:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Illnois sneaks in. Gotta be the last team in.

I think that Arkansas has to have been the last team in.

BktBallRef Sun Mar 11, 2007 05:29pm

EAST

#1 seed!!!! http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...mages/woot.gif

Tough draw in Eastern Ky.

Arkansas, there's a surprise. Maybe they were last.

Texas and Carolina down the road.

BC and Georgetown would renew an old Big East rivalry.

Nevadaref Sun Mar 11, 2007 05:31pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef

The ESPN bunch were debating Drexel and ODU. Both made it.

How do you know that already? CBS is still announcing the regions and hasn't mentioned Drexel yet with only the South region to come.

M&M Guy Sun Mar 11, 2007 05:35pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
WEST
Illnois sneaks in. Gotta be the last team in.

<font size = 1>Whew.</font size>

ESPN analysts were thinking Purdue was in while IL was out, but both made it. And IL gets WV first, so it might be one and done.

Dan - I prefer sesame. Great on breadsticks. :p

BktBallRef Sun Mar 11, 2007 05:37pm

SOUTH

Stanford slides in.

UT-VA would be a good matchup.

Memphis and Louisville down the road.

Nevadaref Sun Mar 11, 2007 05:37pm

Yep, Drexel got left out, Tony. :(

Nevadaref Sun Mar 11, 2007 05:40pm

No Missouri State, Air Force, or West Virginia.

Only six at-large bids for the mid-major conferences. The lowest in the past five years.

M&M Guy Sun Mar 11, 2007 05:41pm

No Syracuse. Kinda surprising.

tmp44 Sun Mar 11, 2007 05:41pm

Stanford over both Drexel and Syracuse??? No way....maybe the committee was concerned about "East Coast Bias?"

Nevadaref Sun Mar 11, 2007 05:42pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Whew.

ESPN analysts were thinking Purdue was in while IL was out, but both made it. And IL gets WV first, so it might be one and done.

Dan - I prefer sesame. Great on breadsticks. :p

You mean VT as in Virginia Tech. :p

Scrapper1 Sun Mar 11, 2007 05:45pm

I'm surprised that Maryland got a 4-seed. That seems pretty high. They didn't finish real strong, did they?

BktBallRef Sun Mar 11, 2007 05:45pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Yep, Drexel got left out, Tony. :(

I know. It changed it earlier when I figured out I misunderstood the ESPN guys. Flipping back and forth.

M&M Guy Sun Mar 11, 2007 05:47pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
You mean VT as in Virginia Tech. :p

All right, all right. You know all those Virginia-type teams look alike! :p

I was just happy to see IL still make it, even though it might not be for very long this time.

Nevadaref Sun Mar 11, 2007 05:53pm

Kansas State didn't make it??? WOW!!!

Nevadaref Sun Mar 11, 2007 05:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1
I'm surprised that Maryland got a 4-seed. That seems pretty high. They didn't finish real strong, did they?

Not unless you consider losing to last place Miami in the first round of the conference tourney strong. :D

Nevadaref Sun Mar 11, 2007 06:00pm

Lunardi picks 63 of 65 in the field and 55 of the 65 seeds within one.

He had Drexel and Syracuse in.

BktBallRef Sun Mar 11, 2007 06:03pm

http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...images/wtf.gif is Lunardi?

Nevadaref Sun Mar 11, 2007 06:46pm

You have heard of Bracketology by Joe Lunardi on ESPN, right?

26 Year Gap Sun Mar 11, 2007 06:53pm

Stanford in is biggest surprise. Drexel should be in. I think teams like FL St & Syracuse have a better argument for being there than Stanford. Here's hoping they get bounced early and Drexel goes deep in the NIT.

BktBallRef Sun Mar 11, 2007 07:14pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
You have heard of Bracketology by Joe Lunardi on ESPN, right?

If I knew who the guy was, would I have asked that question?

Nevadaref Sun Mar 11, 2007 07:16pm

I really don't mind the selection of Arkansas. Their RPI and SOS numbers are very good.

I happen to dislike Illinois and Xavier getting in.

I'm also not fond of Stanford and Georgia Tech because I believe that no conference should have more than five teams in. If you are looking for two teams that had down years and may have received berths based upon past performance, despite the committee saying that they don't do that, look at Michigan State and Duke.

I would rather have seen Drexel, Missouri State, Kansas State, and Air Force get a shot, but I'm a small conference kind of guy. I just think that having those type of teams in the tournament makes it more exciting. I live for the upsets! :)

Nevadaref Sun Mar 11, 2007 07:18pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
If I knew who the guy was, would I have asked that question?

Okay, but I'm frankly stunned that you weren't aware of his predicting the NCAA tournament teams and seeds for ESPN over the past few years.

So, now you know.

KingTripleJump Sun Mar 11, 2007 07:20pm

Arkansas and Illinois should not be in the tournament. Kansas State and Drexel have a good case.

Duke and Maryland were seeded waaay too high. I like VCU to upset Duke.

Terrapins Fan Sun Mar 11, 2007 07:26pm

Respect.

Now all we have to do is earn it.....

tomegun Sun Mar 11, 2007 07:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingTripleJump
Arkansas and Illinois should not be in the tournament. Kansas State and Drexel have a good case.

Duke and Maryland were seeded waaay too high. I like VCU to upset Duke.

How can you have watched college basketball for the last 10 years and be surprised at Duke's seed? Past performance and the conference they belong to had them ranked higher than they should have been all season.

Nevadaref Sun Mar 11, 2007 07:58pm

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Originally Posted by KingTripleJump
<strike>Arkansas</strike>Stanford/Georgia Tech and Illinois should not be in the tournament. Kansas State and Drexel <strike>have a good case.</strike>got screwed.

There now I agree with your post. :D

BktBallRef Sun Mar 11, 2007 08:01pm

We'll see about GT.

Been watching ESPN off and on all night, NV.

No mention of this Lunardi dude.

Rich Sun Mar 11, 2007 08:12pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
We'll see about GT.

Been watching ESPN off and on all night, NV.

No mention of this Lunardi dude.

Lunardi started making his bracketology picks for the Blue Ribbon Tournament Yearbook, which he edited. This guy is GOOD and rarely misses more than 1-3 picks and usually is pretty close in picking seeds, too.

Good article about him here:

http://tinyurl.com/3dzznd

For those that ever got the Blue Ribbon Tournament Book, they're doing one this year (although Lunardi is no longer part of the production, I think).

Nevadaref Sun Mar 11, 2007 08:23pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
We'll see about GT.

Been watching ESPN off and on all night, NV.

No mention of this Lunardi dude.

Then you missed him because he was definitely on during their selection show. He gave himself a C- this year for his predictions because although he got 63 of the 65 that were invited, he wasn't that accurate with the seeds.

Dan_ref Sun Mar 11, 2007 08:24pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
I'm surprised that Maryland got a 4-seed. That seems pretty high. They didn't finish real strong, did they?

Sunflower seeds are good too btw.

I'm picking Central Ct State to go all the way just for the heck of it.

How about you?

M&M Guy Sun Mar 11, 2007 08:44pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Sunflower seeds are good too btw.

I'm picking Central Ct State to go all the way just for the heck of it.

How about you?

Ok then, big boy, how 'bout you put your seeds where your mouth is? I'll not only give you Central CT State, but I'll give you all the 10 thru 16 seeds (28 total teams), and I'll just take the 1st and 2nd seeded teams (8 total teams).

The wager will be a bag of seeds of the winner's choice. (Um, legal seeds, of course.)

Dan_ref Sun Mar 11, 2007 08:49pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Ok then, big boy, how 'bout you put your seeds where your mouth is? I'll not only give you Central CT State, but I'll give you all the 10 thru 16 seeds (28 total teams), and I'll just take the 1st and 2nd seeded teams (8 total teams).

The wager will be a bag of seeds of the winner's choice. (Um, legal seeds, of course.)

OK, so we're not betting your (illegal) sticks and seeds.

Good.

So I get 10 thru 16 of each bracket and you get 1 and 2 of each bracket?

OK. But let's make it interesting.

Winner gets a bag of M&Ms. Large value size.

M&M Guy Sun Mar 11, 2007 08:55pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
OK, so we're not betting your (illegal) sticks and seeds.

Good.

So I get 10 thru 16 of each bracket and you get 1 and 2 of each bracket?

OK. But let's make it interesting.

Winner gets a bag of M&Ms. Large value size.

Winner's choice of plain or peanut, right?

Works for me.

BktBallRef Sun Mar 11, 2007 09:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Then you missed him because he was definitely on during their selection show. He gave himself a C- this year for his predictions because although he got 63 of the 65 that were invited, he wasn't that accurate with the seeds.

That and 99 cents will get him coffee at McDonald's. :p

mick Sun Mar 11, 2007 09:17pm

Aaaaarrrrgh!!!
 
East regional has my Final Four. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/al...smiley-006.gif
What is that?

North Carolina, Marquette, Michigan State, Georgetown.

Go Heels.

Terrapins Fan Sun Mar 11, 2007 09:35pm

Quote:

How can you have watched college basketball for the last 10 years and be surprised at Duke's seed? Past performance? and the conference they belong to had them ranked higher than they should have been all season.
How far " Past performance"? Last year is last year. The question is what will this years team do? Not too much, I don't think. They should win their 1st round and then Pittsburgh...could be serious trouble.

Maryland, I have going to the sweet 16. Then they are in serious trouble. But with Maryland, you NEVER, NEVER know...they could lose the 1st round or to the final 4....

BktBallRef Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:22pm

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Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan
How far " Past performance"? Last year is last year. The question is what will this years team do? Not too much, I don't think. They should win their 1st round and then Pittsburgh...could be serious trouble.

Maryland, I have going to the sweet 16. Then they are in serious trouble. But with Maryland, you NEVER, NEVER know...they could lose the 1st round or to the final 4....

Maryland will have their hands full with Davidson. They've lost one game since Nov.25, going 25-1 in that stretch. Who'll show up, the team that beat Carolina in College Park and Duke in Durham or the team that lost in Tampa?

Nevadaref Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:38pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
That and 99 cents will get him coffee at McDonald's. :p

Considering that this is one of his main tasks for ESPN, I'd say that he is being paid a lot more than that for this.

JugglingReferee Mon Mar 12, 2007 03:29am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Lunardi picks 63 of 65 in the field and 55 of the 65 seeds within one.

I'd like to see this guy's game picks. :D

Nevadaref Mon Mar 12, 2007 06:41am

http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...ges/orange.gif NOT


From a Hoya to all Syracuse fans out there. :D

DonInKansas Mon Mar 12, 2007 08:17am

Kansas should have a bit of a beef; If they end up with UCLA for a shot at the final four, it'll basically be a home game for UCLA in San Jose. Why not KU #1 in the Midwest?

Ok, so I am a homer.

Also, Texas Tech got a 7 seed, Indiana a 10 (or the other way around) Definitely should have been matched up in the same region,just for storyline. Bob Knight vs. the old squad..............

BktBallRef Mon Mar 12, 2007 08:58am

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Originally Posted by DonInKansas
Kansas should have a bit of a beef; If they end up with UCLA for a shot at the final four, it'll basically be a home game for UCLA in San Jose. Why not KU #1 in the Midwest?

The same reason that Florida didn't go to the South: the top 4 teams were seeded so that if all 4 get to Atlanta, the seeds would be paired #1 vs.#4 and #2 vs. #3. Florida were the 4 seed, which left them facing the Florida bracket. The brackets are West vs. Midwest and East vs. South. Based on the seeding, there's no way Kansas stays in the Midwest. Besides, OSU wouldn't have been the #1 in the Midwest over Kansas if they had gone your route as they were seeded #3.

Scrapper1 Mon Mar 12, 2007 09:17am

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
Florida were the 4 seed,

Are you sure about that? I thought I heard the talking heads saying that Florida was the top overall seed. But Kansas gets the winner of the 64/65 game. Does that mean that Kansas is the overall top seed?

I guess I'm confused about how the top #1 seed is chosen and placed.

ronny mulkey Mon Mar 12, 2007 09:24am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
There now I agree with your post. :D

Nevada,

I have come to respect your rules knowledge but your college basketball knowledge is suspect. Trot out your argument for K. State over GT.

Mulk

tmp44 Mon Mar 12, 2007 09:26am

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
Are you sure about that? I thought I heard the talking heads saying that Florida was the top overall seed. But Kansas gets the winner of the 64/65 game. Does that mean that Kansas is the overall top seed?

I guess I'm confused about how the top #1 seed is chosen and placed.

Florida is the #1 overall seed, at least according to what the CBS show said last night. As far as the 64/65 game goes, they always place the winner of that game into a Friday/Sunday pod. My guess is, is that because both Florida and Kansas are in a Friday/Sunday pods, Kansas is getting the winner of the 64/65 game because of travel -- Florida is playing in New Orleans vs. Kansas playing in Chicago (64/65 game is in Dayton, OH)

SWMOzebra Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:26am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
No Missouri State, Air Force, or West Virginia.

Only six at-large bids for the mid-major conferences. The lowest in the past five years.

I'm a big MO State fan, but they just didn't deserve it this year. All they could point to was an early win over Wisconsin and they made it through round one of the MVC tournament. They had higher RPI and SOS numbers last year and didn't get the call either (though they got bounced in the first round of the MVC tournament in 06).

Still, plenty of good action to see this weekend...a few of the 8/9 match-ups look tough! :)


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