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Rock Chalk Fri Mar 09, 2007 01:40pm

Most free throws?
 
What is the largest amount of free throws you can award any 1 player on any 1 play?

- there are no intentional or technical fouls involved
- only one player is going to shoot the free throws because he/she was the only one fouled


i ask this to my local officials and only 1 guy got it right

WhistlesAndStripes Fri Mar 09, 2007 01:45pm

4<b><b><b>

Rock Chalk Fri Mar 09, 2007 01:49pm

no, you'll be suprised at the answer

WhistlesAndStripes Fri Mar 09, 2007 01:49pm

And now, to elaborate, this would occur if you were to call a multiple foul on a missed 3 point shot. For example, A22 is attempting a 3 point shot, and is fouled simultaneously by B23 and B32. The attempt is no good. You call both fouls. It's 2 shots per foul.

Rock Chalk Fri Mar 09, 2007 01:50pm

you have the right idea..but 4 isn't right

WhistlesAndStripes Fri Mar 09, 2007 01:50pm

Now that you put it that way, the answer would be 10. Same sitch I described, although the player is fouled simultaneously by all 5 opposing players on the court at the same time.

Rock Chalk Fri Mar 09, 2007 01:52pm

correct...but the odds that all 5 defensive players foul the same 3 pt. shooter at the same time and an offical calling 5 fouls is about .00099%.

JugglingReferee Fri Mar 09, 2007 02:46pm

I like these questions because I think it shows that those who nail it right away have a very good understanding of the rules.

Actually calling a 5-person multiple is a different arguement. ;)

Adam Fri Mar 09, 2007 02:47pm

Not to mention it's a bad offensive play to take this shot with 5 defenders on you. Someone has to be open.

deecee Fri Mar 09, 2007 03:11pm

not if your jon diebler -- then you hit the shot and instead of getting a chance at 10 points you screw your own team because now you only get 1 because the basket was good? so we later find that jon is human after all and cost hes team 6 points by making a basket from 3 point territory with 5 defenders on him. the boy, no the man, is a legend.

WhistlesAndStripes Fri Mar 09, 2007 03:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by deecee
not if your jon diebler -- then you hit the shot and instead of getting a chance at 10 points you screw your own team because now you only get 1 because the basket was good? so we later find that jon is human after all and cost hes team 6 points by making a basket from 3 point territory with 5 defenders on him. the boy, no the man, is a legend.

While you are correct about screwing your team by making the shot, you are wrong about how bad you are screwing them. If you make the 3 and the official calls the 5 foul multiple foul, you still get 1 shot for each foul -- 5 shots, so a potential 8 point play.

deecee Fri Mar 09, 2007 03:21pm

so missing the shot is still better because Jon just cost them 2 points :o

SamIAm Fri Mar 09, 2007 03:47pm

Can we not get 15 shots?

JugglingReferee Fri Mar 09, 2007 03:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by deecee
not if your jon diebler -- then you hit the shot and instead of getting a chance at 10 points you screw your own team because now you only get 1 because the basket was good? so we later find that jon is human after all and cost hes team 6 points by making a basket from 3 point territory with 5 defenders on him. the boy, no the man, is a legend.

you're

Jon Diebler

Run-on sentences? ;)

BEAREF Fri Mar 09, 2007 04:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes
And now, to elaborate, this would occur if you were to call a multiple foul on a missed 3 point shot. For example, A22 is attempting a 3 point shot, and is fouled simultaneously by B23 and B32. The attempt is no good. You call both fouls. It's 2 shots per foul.

Only two free throws on a missed 3 point shot? Why not three? Or am I missing something due to the multiple foul? :confused:

grunewar Fri Mar 09, 2007 04:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Not to mention it's a bad offensive play to take this shot with 5 defenders on you. Someone has to be open.

I disagree. If you know you're going to get hammered and you're shooting a 3, it's a GOOD offensive play! Especially if you're going to miss and get 10 shots!!!! :)

tnzebra Fri Mar 09, 2007 05:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BEAREF
Only two free throws on a missed 3 point shot? Why not three? Or am I missing something due to the multiple foul? :confused:

Same question here? What gives?

Jurassic Referee Fri Mar 09, 2007 05:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tnzebra
Same question here? What gives?

Rule 10-6-PENALTIES6b(2) gives....

Rock Chalk Fri Mar 09, 2007 05:10pm

it's just what is in the rule book.

a player is awarded 1 shot per multiple foul on a made or missed 2 point basket.

a player is awarded one foul shot per mulitple foul on a made 3 point basket and 2 foul shots per multiple foul on a missed 3 point basket.

so basically...you want to miss the shot because you can only score 8 points if you make the 3 pointer, but if you miss you can score up to 10 points. So when in the situation...tell your players to miss the shot.

SamIAm Fri Mar 09, 2007 05:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock Chalk
it's just what is in the rule book.

a player is awarded 1 shot per multiple foul on a made or missed 2 point basket.

a player is awarded one foul shot per mulitple foul on a made 3 point basket and 2 foul shots per multiple foul on a missed 3 point basket.

so basically...you want to miss the shot because you can only score 8 points if you make the 3 pointer, but if you miss you can score up to 10 points. So when in the situation...tell your players to miss the shot.

my math is 11 (8 + 3) points - 3 for the first foul and 8 (4x2) for the other 4 fouls. (The first foul is not multiple, the next four make it multiple)

Adam Fri Mar 09, 2007 05:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamIAm
my math is 11 (8 + 3) points - 3 for the first foul and 8 (4x2) for the other 4 fouls. (The first foul is not multiple, the next four make it multiple)

Nope. Having more than one makes them all part of the multiple foul.

ranjo Fri Mar 09, 2007 05:23pm

Look in the back of your rule book and find the section that says Summary of Penalties for All Fouls.

Under Multiple Foul it states two free throws for each foul of an unsuccessful three-point try or tap.

JugglingReferee Fri Mar 09, 2007 05:32pm

So a shooter tries a 3 and is fouled by 5 opponents simultaneously.

Missed:
0 points + possible 10 points [5 opponents * 2 shots/opponent] = 10 points maximum

Made:
3 points + possible 5 points [5 opponents * 1 shots/opponent] = 8 points maximum

Now, take into FTA% and 3FGA%. Most people shoot around 75% from the stripe. So, in case [missed], 0 + 10 * 0.75 = 7.5 points on average; and in [made], 3FGA% ~ 30% (agree?), which is 0.3* 3 + 5 * 0.75 = 0.9 + 3.75 = 4.65 points on average.

However, it comes down to a comparison between one's %ages.

Let x = % of FT
Let y = % of 3FG

[missed] 10x
[made] 5x + 3y

Break it down:
10x = 5x + 3y
5x = 3y
x = 3/5 y

if x > 3/5 y, then [missed] is better
if x < 3/5 y, then [made] is better
if x = 3/5 y, it is a wash

QED

Edit: change the formula in italics. My excuse was that I was trying to leave work...

SamIAm Fri Mar 09, 2007 05:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Nope. Having more than one makes them all part of the multiple foul.

Thank-you.

M&M Guy Fri Mar 09, 2007 06:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee
So a shooter tries a 3 and is fouled by 5 opponents simultaneously.

Missed:
0 points + possible 10 points [5 opponents * 2 shots/opponent] = 10 points maximum

Made:
3 points + possible 5 points [5 opponents * 1 shots/opponent] = 8 points maximum

Now, take into FTA% and 3FGA%. Most people shoot around 75% from the stripe. So, in case [missed], 0 + 10 * 0.75 = 7.5 points on average; and in [made], 3FGA% ~ 30% (agree?), which is 3 + 5 * 0.3 = 3 + 1.5 = 4.5 points on average.

However, it comes down to a comparison between one's %ages.

Let x = % of FT
Let y = % of 3FG

[missed] 10x
[made] 5x + 3y

Break it down:
10x = 5x + 3y
5x = 3y
x = 3/5 y

if x > 3/5 y, then [missed] is better
if x < 3/5 y, then [made] is better
if x = 3/5 y, it is a wash

QED

Geeze, I thought Padgett was the only one with too much time on his hands. :rolleyes:

:D

Mark Padgett Fri Mar 09, 2007 07:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Geeze, I thought Padgett was the only one with too much time on his hands. :rolleyes:

:D

Are you referring to the fact that I wear fourteen watches? :confused:

M&M Guy Fri Mar 09, 2007 07:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Are you referring to the fact that I wear fourteen watches? :confused:

I rest my case. :D

grunewar Fri Mar 09, 2007 07:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee
So a shooter tries a 3 and is fouled by 5 opponents simultaneously.

Missed:
0 points + possible 10 points [5 opponents * 2 shots/opponent] = 10 points maximum

Made:
3 points + possible 5 points [5 opponents * 1 shots/opponent] = 8 points maximum

Now, take into FTA% and 3FGA%. Most people shoot around 75% from the stripe. So, in case [missed], 0 + 10 * 0.75 = 7.5 points on average; and in [made], 3FGA% ~ 30% (agree?), which is 3 + 5 * 0.3 = 3 + 1.5 = 4.5 points on average.

However, it comes down to a comparison between one's %ages.

Let x = % of FT
Let y = % of 3FG

[missed] 10x
[made] 5x + 3y

Break it down:
10x = 5x + 3y
5x = 3y
x = 3/5 y

if x > 3/5 y, then [missed] is better
if x < 3/5 y, then [made] is better
if x = 3/5 y, it is a wash

QED

I attended a public school and don't understand ANY of this! :(

JugglingReferee Fri Mar 09, 2007 08:24pm

At least you found a pic with the correct usage of "you're".

Scrapper1 Sat Mar 10, 2007 07:45am

That's just gross. In all honesty, I like the bunny with the pancakes better.

Jurassic Referee Sat Mar 10, 2007 09:56am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1
That's just gross. In all honesty, I like the bunny with the pancakes better.

Know what? You're right. I deep-sixed that one.

Back to the bunnies........

Jurassic Referee Sat Mar 10, 2007 09:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee
So a shooter tries a 3 and is fouled by 5 opponents simultaneously.

Missed:
0 points + possible 10 points [5 opponents * 2 shots/opponent] = 10 points maximum

Made:
3 points + possible 5 points [5 opponents * 1 shots/opponent] = 8 points maximum

Now, take into FTA% and 3FGA%. Most people shoot around 75% from the stripe. So, in case [missed], 0 + 10 * 0.75 = 7.5 points on average; and in [made], 3FGA% ~ 30% (agree?), which is 0.3* 3 + 5 * 0.75 = 0.9 + 3.75 = 4.65 points on average.

However, it comes down to a comparison between one's %ages.

Let x = % of FT
Let y = % of 3FG

[missed] 10x
[made] 5x + 3y

Break it down:
10x = 5x + 3y
5x = 3y
x = 3/5 y

if x > 3/5 y, then [missed] is better
if x < 3/5 y, then [made] is better
if x = 3/5 y, it is a wash

QED

Edit: change the formula in italics. My excuse was that I was trying to leave work...

I have no idea what you're talking about, so here's a picture of a bunny with a roll of toilet paper on his head.
http://www.forumspile.com/Understand...ilet_Roll).jpg


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