Defensive Match-up Request..
 

I should probably know this as a coach... But can someone explain to me a "request for defensive match-up"...

I'm assuming this means that if 3 players enter, if requested, players get some time to recognize and figure out "who's got who" - for lack of better term...

Thanks.

Coach M

Yep
 

You got it coach.

So how much time is allowed - or is it just judgement...

Thanks.

As it long as it takes me to administer the throw-in.. :D

Since this rule changed back, I have not had one time I can think of this was an actual request. If you take your time to put the ball in anyway, they will match up appropriately anyway. I would not spend a lot of time worrying about this rule.

Peace

As the others have said, I don't think there is a set time. I like JRut have never had the request. When we have "mass" substitutions, as an official you can tell when they are matched up. I just delay putting the ball in play until it appears they are matched up.

thanks. I'm studying to take the officials exam and am attending 2 camps this summer - and I was just looking for a clarification of the rule - I had never heard or seen a request - just what you said - officials usually just wait until everyone is pretty much ready.

Are you leaving coaching to join the dark side? :D Or just trying to learn how to better use "the force"?

I'm not exactly sure that I will leave coaching entirely - just depends on what opportunities arise... I love the sport and have been interested in officiating for a long time - in my area (MD) they have big shortages of officials - so the time is right to get into it - the assignor for my area has already said that he would like me to work some of the high school summer league games this year...

If we ever have another alumni game at our college and I'm on the floor when the Varsity puts in 3 or more people, you can bet I'll test this rule. :D

Had one...
 

Had one request this year, was actually surprised that the coach knew the rule.

Like most said, there really is no set time limit. I would use common sense. If they were matching up, go to preventive officiating mode. Remember when you have mass subs, they can be your game disrupters, so take the extra time to watch them/talking to them.

Could you explain a few things for me?

1) What exactly <b>is</b> a game disrupter, and could you give me some examples?
2) How substitution can be a "game disrupter"?
3) You said "talking to them". What would you say to a sub?

The substitution is not the game disrupter. The mass substitution may be because it's now "garbage time" and the coach is clearing the bench. The substitute may be the game disrupter. The end-of-the-bench football player who's only on the team to stay in shape. He's going to be the one to wreck the flow of your game if you're not careful. That's the theory.

"Keep your head, now." "Make sure you're playing the ball." Maybe he has something like that in mind? I don't know.

Some rules are not perfectly clear so [it is my belief] the rules makers defer to the judgement of the official. Besides knowing and using the rules, judgement seems to be the only hammer we have.

So to answer your question, surely it's judgement. The amount of time they get should be measured by the official's definition of "ample" or "nuff" time.

I had one actual request for a match up, by the captain no less. First in my 3 years.

1) <b>How</b> is this player going to "wreck the flow of the game'?:confused: Exactly what is he going to do?

2) Careful?:confused: What exactly comprises being "careful"? Iow, what do you have to do from an official's standpoint to be "careful"?

I agree that it's judgment. But please don't call me Shirley.

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit (smoking drinking sniffing glue amphatamines)

C'mon. You must know the kind of player I'm talking about. The guy who comes in with no basketball skills and is just looking to bang bodies. I'm not talking about an "enforcer", just a kid who doesn't really know what he's doing, except that he's supposed to body-up the other team's big guy.

I really don't know. Maybe say something to him about playing basketball, not football? I really don't know.

In my mind, the best way to deal with this kid is just call the fouls as soon as you see them and don't let him escalate it.

...Stereotyping the kid on the weight bench. ...A kid that loves basketball. ...A kid that is trying to improve his fine motors. ...A kid that loves basketball officials. ...A kid that is always on the honor roll and who, in his spare time, visiits with the elderly.

Oh, my, Scrapper1 !

I have no idea what's bothering you, Mick. I specifically wrote: "I'm not talking about an "enforcer", just a kid who doesn't really know what he's doing, except that he's supposed to body-up the other team's big guy."

I'm not saying he's a bad kid. I'm saying there are kids out there who are on the team only to stay in shape and don't really know how to play basketball. That's the kid that was originally called a "game disruptor". I didn't hang that tag on him.

If you're trying to tell me that such kids don't exist, then I'm going to humbly disagree. If you're telling me that I shouldn't pre-judge him and tell him not to bleep up my game, then I completely agree and said as much. Just call the contact that's there.

I'm not "profiling" anybody. I'm not the one who brought up the "game disruptors" in the first place. I'm merely trying to explain what that person originally might have meant. What he meant was "Beware of the bruiser with no basketball skills", because this kid generally comes into the game in a mass substitution in garbage time.

Good call, Scrapper1. :)

1) Are you really advocating warning a player <b>not</b> to do something <b>before</b> they haven't done <b>anything</b> at all?

2) Don't you call fouls on <b>every</b> player on both teams <b>every</b> time that player might commit a foul all through the whole game? How is dealing with this particular player so different than dealing with <b>all</b> players?

This whole "game-interrupter" thingy is just confusing to me. I'm just trying to get a good explanation on just <b>exactly</b> what it is.

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What do you really think? I'm merely trying to give a reasonable explanation for what the poster originally meant in his comments about "game disruptors".

A disrupter is someone who comes who can make your game go south in a matter of minutes just by a stupid foul which could be intentional or Flagrant or just randomly piss the opponents off my doing stupid unnecessary common fouls. Scrapper answered your question correctly.

1. Yes. These are the guy that get little PT and the coach wants to get them. They are giving more than the starters so they can try earn their time in the big game. I simply warning, like watch the fouls guys will go a long way. It has worked for me and they comply. The JUCO athletes do listen. 2. yes you call fouls but you don't want to disrupt the flow that you have established. You want to let these guys play to, but your game awareness has to be a hell of a lot better than when the coaches regular rotation was in.

This actually works? "Watch the fouls". And what do these supposed "scrubs" say in response? "Yes sir, we won't foul anybody?" :confused:

Yabut, Scrapper has got me confused with his answers too. I ain't that bright, so bear with me and explain the concept a little more clearly for me, please.

1) Can't <b>any or all player(s)</b> on the floor on either team, as well as <b>any</b> sub(s) coming in on either team, also make your game go south immediately by committing a stupid foul which could be intentional or flagrant or randomly piss off their opponents? If they do, then what's the difference with them to the "game disrupter" that you identify when subbing in?
2) Do you tell <b>all</b> players on both teams to "watch the fouls" or just the the players that you identify as "game disrupters"? What criteria do you use to identify these "game disrupters" when they enter a game? Appearance? Foaming at the mouth? Knuckles dragging on the floor?
3) If a coach asks you WTF you're doing warning one of his players <b>before</b> that player has done <b>anything</b> at all, what's your response to that coach?
4) Isn't it true that <b>every</b> time you blow your whistle for <b>any</b> foul or <b>any</b> violation, the player that committed that foul or violation is also a "game disrupter"? If you disagree, please explain how they differ.

Sorry for all the questions, but I'm really trying hard to understand the "game disrupter" concept.

It's obvious you aint up on all the latest camp-speak, so pay attention. This is important and you'll need to get this down before you have any shot at working the...wait for it...

The term he used is game disrupter, not interrupter.

A game disrupter is something that interrupts the normal flow of the game.

A game interrupter is something that disrupts the normal flow of the game.

Get yer terms straight fergawdsake.

Well, I told you that I wasn't that bright, didn't I?:rolleyes:

Soooooo.....I'll go back and edit my last post to change to "game disrupters" from game interrupters".

I'd still like answers to those questions though, just to clear up the confusion in my mind. Think you could help?

Me? yeah.

Game disrupters and game interrupters are any situations that lead to potential badness. Assignors get calls when potential badness turns into real badness.

So we're talking about strategies to minimize the number of calls assignors take from incoherently screaming spittle spewing coaches who think they just got screwed.

My philosophy is to keep calling the game regardless of which end of the bench is on the floor. Each player gets 5 chances to foul, less if the fouls are flagrant. Part of the job is to protect against badness - badness by starters, badness by scrubs, badness by anybody.

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Sparky,
I really appreciate your clarifications.

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