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ref18 Sat Mar 03, 2007 02:55pm

Why Beltless Pants?
 
Now, don't get me wrong, I think belted pants look horrible, and have been wearing beltless pants since I started officiating, but I was just wondering what's the origin of the beltless pant, why do we as officials wear it.

And to further that, why are pleats preferred to flat-fronts?

BktBallRef Sat Mar 03, 2007 05:33pm

Why beltless? Why don't players wear belts?

As for pleats, they're looser, roomier, and more comfortable than Western cut.

BTW, you sure must be bored.

Mark Padgett Sat Mar 03, 2007 08:15pm

Personally, I prefer pantless belts. :D

bob jenkins Sat Mar 03, 2007 08:20pm

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Originally Posted by ref18
Now, don't get me wrong, I think belted pants look horrible, and have been wearing beltless pants since I started officiating, but I was just wondering what's the origin of the beltless pant, why do we as officials wear it.

And to further that, why are pleats preferred to flat-fronts?

All officials used to wear belts. Then college officials stopepd. So, others thought it looked "cool" or would make them look like they did college. So, all umpires were wearing beltless, plain-front pants.

Then, college officials started wearing pleats. ....

Then, college officials started wearing grey shirts. .... (but that was stopped, for most).

Then, college officials started wearing the wide black stripe on the side. ...

Then some college officials started wearing some white on the shoes. ...

Mark Padgett Sat Mar 03, 2007 08:55pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
All officials used to wear belts. Then college officials stopepd. So, others thought it looked "cool" or would make them look like they did college. So, all umpires were wearing beltless, plain-front pants.

Then, college officials started wearing pleats. ....

Then, college officials started wearing grey shirts. .... (but that was stopped, for most).

Then, college officials started wearing the wide black stripe on the side. ...

Then some college officials started wearing some white on the shoes. ...

WOW! Maybe some college officials will start wearing fishnets! :eek:

Adam Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:47pm

Why beltless? Two words.
Steve Wellmer.

Adam Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:50pm

I was surprised to see that around here, most of the guys were wearing belted pants. It's just not an issue. I think the reason most go belted is that you can't find beltless between here and Denver or Salt Lake City. The local sporting goods store doesn't carry them because he can't make a profit. You have to either get them on-line or drive 5 hours.
I prefer beltless, but haven't been able to find mine since we moved (they're packed somewhere). Walmart sells a decent pair of belted slacks for about $11. I was going to use them as a stop-gap until I noticed it wasn't an issue here. Now, I can bide my time for a good deal on Honigs or some similar web site.

Back In The Saddle Sun Mar 04, 2007 02:07am

Rainmaker is not a minority
 
Because we're all a bunch of high school girls. If you have teenage daughters, you've already learned that the reason they dress the way they do is to impress other girls. It's true. I always thought it's because they wanted guys looking at them with non-stop lecherous leers. But it's really because "the herd" punishes non-conformity.

And we're just exactly like them.

As long as we're reasonably, professionally presentable, I really don't think most coaches or ADs care how we dress. I don't think most would care if we wore white hightops with brightly colored logos. I don't think they'd have much problem with shorts. I don't think they would care if we had collars on our shirts. What type of lanyard; couldn't care less. Fox40, Dolphin, old metal clunker bought at a yard sale? Not really that much of an issue.

We are the major driving force behind "referee fashion." It's "the herd" who punishes non-compliance.

So why beltless, pleated pants? Because "we" said so. And you don't want to know what happens if you don't comply :eek:

Time2Ref Sun Mar 04, 2007 04:02am

I had this one partner who told me that the buckle could be a liability issue. He said a girl had tripped, fallen into the official and cut her forehead on the official's belt buckle.

Don't shoot me, I'm just telling you what he said.

SMEngmann Sun Mar 04, 2007 07:09am

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Originally Posted by Time2Ref
I had this one partner who told me that the buckle could be a liability issue. He said a girl had tripped, fallen into the official and cut her forehead on the official's belt buckle.

Don't shoot me, I'm just telling you what he said.

That's about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. If a girl's hitting her head on his belt buckle the injury liability is the least of his worries.

Jurassic Referee Sun Mar 04, 2007 07:46am

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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle
So why beltless, pleated pants?

Why dress pants to run around in, in the first place? Why not shorts? Track pants? Something functional and comfortable?

Well.......because officials have <b>always</b> worn dress pants.

Btw, I had to wear gray dress pants when I started out.

Jurassic Referee Sun Mar 04, 2007 07:48am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Why beltless? Two words.
Steve Wellmer.

Steve Wellmer should wear suspenders and a belt.

Bad Zebra Sun Mar 04, 2007 09:56am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Btw, I had to wear gray dress pants when I started out.


Interesting. Now I have to wear grey shirts. I wonder how long before someone thinks grey pants AND shirts would look good.

Ref Daddy Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:18am

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Originally Posted by ref18
Now, don't get me wrong, I think belted pants look horrible, and have been wearing belt-less pants since I started officiating, but I was just wondering what's the origin of the belt-less pant, why do we as officials wear it.

I was told years ago it was a matter of uniformity.

Belts were never the same from ref 2 ref ..... darker, lighter, worn, new, patterned, cloth, leather, silver buckle, gold buckle, - all matching or conforming to "Black"

Going Belt less removed that lack of uniformity.

Scrapper1 Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:47am

My partner on Friday night wore pants with beltloops, but didn't wear a belt.

Mregor Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:47am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Now, I can bide my time for a good deal on Honigs or some similar web site.

Purchase Officials has Sansabelts for $29 (or so they said in an email they sent me).

Mregor

Mark Padgett Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:49pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
My partner on Friday night wore pants with beltloops, but didn't wear a belt.

I had a partner once who wore pants without beltloops, but wore a belt. :eek:

BillyMac Sun Mar 04, 2007 01:24pm

In The 20th Century
 
Back in the 20th century, as Conncecticut IAABO officials, we wore a gray shirt with blue trim. We were allowed to wear either black or blue pants. The blue pants looked really sharp with the blue trimmed shirt, but most officials on our local board, including me, wanted to look more like college officials, so most of us wore black pants. One time, I forgot to pack my black game pants, but as luck would have it, I was wearing blue dress pants that day. I felt that I was out of uniform that day, but at least the collar matched the cuffs.

chartrusepengui Sun Mar 04, 2007 03:09pm

Be honest - a belt is just another thing to forget and then you either have to hold them up and there go the mechanics or officiate with them at your ankles! :-)

canuckrefguy Sun Mar 04, 2007 04:31pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Btw, I had to wear gray dress pants when I started out.

So that WAS you in "Hoosiers"

I knew it!!

:D

Adam Sun Mar 04, 2007 05:12pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
My partner on Friday night wore pants with beltloops, but didn't wear a belt.

I've seen guys buy pants with belt loops and then cut them off.

Scrapper1 Sun Mar 04, 2007 05:22pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
I've seen guys buy pants with belt loops and then cut them off.

I actually had to do that myself once when I went to camp with shorts and was told that I had to have pants! I'd never been to a summer camp that required pants and just assumed. . .

Mark Padgett Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:11pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
I'd never been to a summer camp that required pants

Names and locations please! :eek:

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:22pm

Why do I wear beltless slacks for officiating basketball? Because it makes the belt one less thing I have to worry about packing.

MTD, Sr.

ref18 Mon Mar 05, 2007 01:19am

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
I actually had to do that myself once when I went to camp with shorts and was told that I had to have pants! I'd never been to a summer camp that required pants and just assumed. . .

I had a guy at a Coast to Coast camp I was at do this...was it you?

Scrapper1 Mon Mar 05, 2007 08:43am

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Originally Posted by ref18
I had a guy at a Coast to Coast camp I was at do this...was it you?

Nope. Never done that one.


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