Thicker skin

[Vinski]

I’m sure that most of you vets have been through worse, and will probably nod your heads and say, “Been there, done that. No big deal”. But I gotta tell ya, what an evening (for a rookie anyway)! Let me preface this with a little history. I just rapped up my first season. I had been reffing 5th – 8th grade boys and girls mostly for the local YMCA. Next year on to sub-varsity. Can’t wait…At least that is how I used to think before this evening. I’ve done about 25 games and most went pretty well. Only had to hush a coach with a warning once. Had to T a kid for an unsporting. Had a couple noisy parents. But other than that, mostly pretty good. Until tonight…
Two rival junior highs were going at it and I new it could be a rough one because I had reffed both before but not playing against one another. One was very aggressive and the other was kind of a rough team. Right off the bat a couple of fouls on team A. The coach is in my face about B’s guys pushing. I give him the hand and tell him to back off with an official warning. Then A1 picks up another foul and grows a visual display of displeasure regarding my call. I give the hand and warning to him. This was the last I heard from team A the rest of the game. Now it’s team B’s turn. I catch B1 slapping hands up high defending a shot, so I blow the whistle. He response with a “What the f.***”. Bam, I give the T. Now, this started with a shooting foul so we clear the lane and let the shooter for team A shoot two. It so happens that this is A coach’s choice for the T shots as well, so he fires up a third and the B coach goes nuts! He had forgotten that it was a shooting foul and thinks that we are giving him a 3 shot technical. I try to get a word in to explain, but he goes on. So, Bam, T number 2. This kid from team A got to shoot 6 free throws in a row before we got things going again. I told coach B to sit and be quite or he is gone. That quieted things down some but I kept getting a bunch of chirping and whining about the other team not getting called and that I was picking on theirs. But B was bent on playing sloppy, rough basket ball.
Now, get this…Not a peep out of the parents the whole game.
Anyway, sorry for the rant. Just not how I want the season to end. However, I do feel my skin getting thicker.

[Nevadaref]

One tip that I will give you is that when I have to administer four FTs to the same shooter due to a situation such as this, after the first 2FTs, I make a point of checking with the coach that this is the shooter he wants for the T by looking over at him and making eye contact, pointing, etc. and then step into the lane and give the T sign so that it is visible to the table and benches before administering the technical FTs. This makes it very clear to everyone what is going on. Had you done that you likely wouldn't have had any more problems.

[Vinski]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

One tip that I will give you is that when I have to administer four FTs to the same shooter due to a situation such as this, after the first 2FTs, I make a point of checking with the coach that this is the shooter he wants for the T by looking over at him and making eye contact, pointing, etc. and then step into the lane and give the T sign so that it is visible to the table and benches before administering the technical FTs. This makes it very clear to everyone what is going on. Had you done that you likely wouldn't have had any more problems.

Good advice, Nevada. We probably could have been more visibly clear when we started the T shots. Thanks

[MadCityRef]

I don't know know about giving the T signal, but announcing which shots are being administrered is a good idea. Be vocal so everyone knows. Unless you can't be heard over the coach going nuts.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Vinski

I’m sure that most of you vets have been through worse, and will probably nod your heads and say, “Been there, done that. No big deal”. But I gotta tell ya, what an evening (for a rookie anyway)! Let me preface this with a little history. I just rapped up my first season. I had been reffing 5th – 8th grade boys and girls mostly for the local YMCA. Next year on to sub-varsity. Can’t wait…At least that is how I used to think before this evening. I’ve done about 25 games and most went pretty well. Only had to hush a coach with a warning once. Had to T a kid for an unsporting. Had a couple noisy parents. But other than that, mostly pretty good. Until tonight…
Two rival junior highs were going at it and I new it could be a rough one because I had reffed both before but not playing against one another. One was very aggressive and the other was kind of a rough team. Right off the bat a couple of fouls on team A. The coach is in my face about B’s guys pushing. I give him the hand and tell him to back off with an official warning. Then A1 picks up another foul and grows a visual display of displeasure regarding my call. I give the hand and warning to him. This was the last I heard from team A the rest of the game. Now it’s team B’s turn. I catch B1 slapping hands up high defending a shot, so I blow the whistle. He response with a “What the f.***”. Bam, I give the T. Now, this started with a shooting foul so we clear the lane and let the shooter for team A shoot two. It so happens that this is A coach’s choice for the T shots as well, so he fires up a third and the B coach goes nuts! He had forgotten that it was a shooting foul and thinks that we are giving him a 3 shot technical. I try to get a word in to explain, but he goes on. So, Bam, T number 2. This kid from team A got to shoot 6 free throws in a row before we got things going again. I told coach B to sit and be quite or he is gone. That quieted things down some but I kept getting a bunch of chirping and whining about the other team not getting called and that I was picking on theirs. But B was bent on playing sloppy, rough basket ball.
Now, get this…Not a peep out of the parents the whole game.
Anyway, sorry for the rant. Just not how I want the season to end. However, I do feel my skin getting thicker.

Let's see coach A gets a warning, runs it and gets another warning...mistake #1.

Coach B gets 2 T's and doesn't get ejected...mistake #2.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Let's see coach A gets a warning, runs it and gets another warning...mistake #1.

Coach B gets 2 T's and doesn't get ejected...mistake #2.

I think that the mistakes are yours, Z.

The way I read the OP, Coach A got a warning, then A1 got a warning. This is followed by B1 getting a T and then Coach B getting a T.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I think that the mistakes are yours, Z.

The way I read the OP, Coach A got a warning, then A1 got a warning. This is followed by B1 getting a T and then Coach B getting a T.

I shouldn't be posting on no sleep in the intensive care unit looking over my mom.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

I shouldn't be posting on no sleep in the intensive care unit looking over my mom.

May she rest peacefully.

[BillyMac]

From Vinski: "I give him the hand and tell him to back off with an official warning."

Vinski: Be careful about your wording. There are only four official warnings in NFHS rules: defense crossing the plane of the boundary line during a throwin, free throw huddle, interferring with the ball after a basket, and failure to have the court ready, i.e. water on the court, after a time out.

Also, whether or not the NFHS suggests that officials use a visual warning to indicate to the coach that "enough is enough" has been hotly debated on this Forum. Please refer to:
Stop Sign Not Considered Harmful