Ohio State vs Wisconsin
 

I was in attendance at this game, and I am a Buckeye fan so I am biased. But does anyone else think that the game was poorly officiated? I just thought Wisconsin got away with a lot of no calls. It was like jail break on Oden today. Would like to hear what everyone thinks.

I thought considering how poorly the game was played, I did not think the officiating was bad at all. I guess you are looking for people to blame the officials for what took place. I thought there were 3 great travel calls on Oden. There were many great no-calls on blocks and the replay confirmed them. If you expected nothing to be missed, that would not be very realistic.

Peace

No, no, no. I don't expect everything to be called. Bu when Oden is being slapped, and punched right in the ref's face, or when Terwilliger went out of bounds to save the ball and the player held his arm. I expect those to be called. I only think Oden traveled once, and the other two were "assisted". I mean Ohio State won in a fantastic game. And Wisconsin is a hell of a team. But I can't help but think that Ohio State would have won that game by 5-10 points if the refs would have called some fouls underneath. Just me maybe.

Punched and slapped? That is a bit overly dramatic don't you think? I saw a lot of physical play on the part of both Oden and the person guarding him. And I disagree with you on the Oden travels. Basketball is a contact sport BTW. If Oden wants to spin off the body of his opponent, then do it without moving your pivot foot. And the officials were very consistent in calling it. And getting your shot blocked, contact is not only possible but often necessary. You probably did not see the replays, I did. The blocks were very clean.

I know it is all the official's fault.

Peace

I was watching the game on TV, and I thought the refs did fine. ALthough it's hard to be objective when Packer is such an idiot. He was unusually asinine today, and even harder on the refs than usual. SO perhaps I'm being a little biased toward the refs, myself.

I did think the travel calls were all terrific. Clearly moving the pivot foot, clear advantage gained. Whether or not you agree about applying A/D to violations, you definitely agree that they gotta be called when there is an advantage. And I thought there was in every case of an Oden travel.

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I second that motion! Saw one of the three travel calls, as I was in and out during the game, but from what I saw, seemed like a well officiated game overall. From what I saw of the game, I'm agreeing with JRut.

I only saw about 2 minutes of the game so I have no opinion. But uxley, I was just wondering, weren't there any calls that went against Wisconsin that the refs missed or did they just miss calls that went against OSU? :rolleyes: :confused:

I follow the Badgers and I thought the game was superbly officiated (and Wisconsin lost). I talked to a friend right after the game ended and we agreed that this game was officiated as best as a good, hardnosed, physical game could be officiated.

Oden has a lot of natural gifts, but he has a long way to go. Lots of turnovers and a silly number of travels (all properly called) for a kid at that level.

Oh, and since when does a #1 team win at home and storm the court? A bit of an inferiority complex or just not knowing how to act as #1?

These two teams are as even as they come. If not for the Wisconsin slip-up at Michigan State, they would've been deserving co-champions.

There were a number of drives where it appeared Tucker or Taylor got fouled, but it's the nature of a game like this. Officials aren't going to turn it into a foul fest. Oden is just as physical (on both ends) and physical play is going to bring (by good teams) equally physical play.

Look at your analysis again and ask yourself if you're applying the same level of scrutiny when Wisconsin has the ball.

I saw only part of it but I'll say this. And I don't mean this disrespectfully at all. But if you were a ref you would know when a fan complains and thinks a play should be called a particular way the fact is that the fans will be flat wrong about 9 out of 10 times. And the other time they are probably wrong as well. It's just that you don't know what to look for. It is highly doubtful that Oden got slapped and punched. And based on the other refs descriptions of the travels it there was contact on those plays Oden probably initiated it.

In any given game it would be that maybe 1, maybe 2 on the outside, calls that any crew would like to have the chance to call again. As a fan you need to understand that sitting in the stands and watching a handful of games each year is no replacement for the hundreds of games, maybe even thousands of games, that this crew has worked over the years. I wouldn't dream of criticizing a heart surgeon because I don't know beans about it. The same holds true for fans and the Billy Packers on the subject of officiating

Nah. Just mad Ohio St. didn't cover the spread.

"The Badgers lost their tallest starter and leading rebounder, Brian Butch, for the entire second half after he sustained an elbow injury midway through the opening half." -USA Today

Rich,
For my brackets: Butch went out early and then another big guy went down.
Will they be back soon?

I bought a new Red hat with a white "W" in January.
Go, Badgers !

I guess you forgot that Wisconsin shot a total of one free throw in the second half? The free throw which Ohio State had to foul 3 times in 5 seconds to get to the bonus.

I thought the officiating was just fine...

Actually Ohio State could have been #2 depending on how you looked at it. And they stormed the court because they won this one thing. Oh, the Big 10 Championship for the second straight year. And you said why did fans storm the court at their own HOME. Where else can you storm the court? If this game was at Wisconsin and it was the same result, and you were a Buckeye fan would you storm the court?

uxley, still waiting for a response to my post as well as a couple others. Why did you pick the post concerning the fans as the only one you answered?

It's been known to happen. Not too long ago Iowa Hawkeye fans tore down the goal posts at Minnesota. :D
His point was, as a #1 team, the fans shouldn't get that excited about a home win.

He wasn't scrutinizing the officiating at THAT end of the court, silly.

I didn't see the game and have no opinion, but I think SJ's numbers are a bit off. I have heard several times that 80% (correct calls) would be great at the D1 level. 1 or 2 calls a game would probably happen with a NBA crew.

Although my team lost, I thought the officials did a fine job. It was Big Ten basketball. Both teams got to bang a bit. Hopefully Butch will be back soon and the Bucky's can get by them in the Big Ten tourney.

He will be out 4-6 weeks. I know we wish nobody gets hurt, but I bet the Badgers wished this happened 4-6 weeks ago.

I thought the officials did a good job too, the game was just sloopy.

But personally, without a Tivo or DVR, I can rarely see the travels when they happen... anyone else have this problem?

Just so I don't misunderstand, are you saying that you would consider a D1 official to be doing a "great" job if he/she got only 80% of his/her calls correct?

I would think that's appallingly low for a "great" performance.

You are probably underestimating what a good/great performance is at that level. Or perhaps you are of the opinion that if Official X calls a call, it must be right because of where he's been and what he's done.

That's possible, I suppose. But do you really think that if you blew 2 out of every 10 block/charge calls, you'd be considered a "great" official?

No, honestly, I don't think that. I understand that all kinds of things contribute to getting an official hired at that level. But at some point, you have to be able to call plays. And to say that 80% correct is "great" means that some lower percentage like 60% would be considered good or acceptable. And I just can't see how that's possible.

Here's another thing to consider. Not all of our calls gets whistles. We probably have 6-8 calls per possession when it comes to legal dribbles, or incidental contact after a pass, or legal/illegal screens. If you consider all those calls in a game, I think the percentage has to be a lot higher than 80% to be great.

If you're only talking about whistles, then it might be a little lower to be great, but 80% still seems low to me.

I think you have to factor into this that judgment plays a part in each block/charge call and evaluations of such calls [mostly likely taking place in slo-mo while the calls are made real-time] would give opportunity for anyone to second guess several of their own decisions... throw in the fact that someone else may be the judge of correctness and now their judgment clouds the issue and 80% starts to look pretty good!

I was watching the game in the lounge before our Association banquet with about 15 other basketball officials. Not a one said anything about the travel calls - he did!

The room did cringe when the last shot was blocked expecting a foul call with the body. The replay did show otherwise. Well done by the officials. Interesting that Steve Welmer was one of the crew working the game. To attach back to another thread it yet another game in a row for Mr Welmer.

BTW - The guest speaker was former Ohio State standout and now part time radio host Jay Burson. Jay Burson held the Ohio High School career scoring record until last Friday night when he was surpassed by none other than THE Jon Diebler. Burson and family were guests of the school for the game. About 2000 packed into a gym that holds 1500 (where's the fire marshall?). Fans gave Burson a standing "O" upon his entering into the gym. They passed out those give away basketballs. Jay said he thought he signed every single one. The best part was when his own 6 year old son asked him to sign a ball, not knowing why everyone else was asking for his dad's autograph.

You almost had me going there stmaryrams. Then you throw in this part and you lose all credibility. Jon Diebler passed away last month, how could he break the Ohio scoring record? :rolleyes:

This is obviously one of those hoax websites. Look at how many people they say attended the game: Also, look at his jersey, that's not a real team: http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/21/214362.jpg

Plus they say he dunked. Yeah right. :rolleyes: I've never seen a white guy from Ohio dunk.

BNR, since I don't know who Jon Diebler is I googled him yesterday. There is a Jon Diebler that is supposed to be going to Ohio State. You might be talking about two different Jon Dieblers.

Nope. We're taking about <b>THE</b> Jon Diebler. The one and only Jon Diebler!

http://forum.officiating.com/showthr...ht=jon+diebler

I'm a Wisconsin fan and thought Oden set illegal picks several times. Hip checking the defender to clear his guard coming around. I watched the whole game and if I hadn't known the score, I would have thought Wisconsin lost by much more. They can play better. When Butch went down, it looked like he had a golf ball sticking out the back of his elbow. Ouch! I enjoyed the #1 ranking for a whole day. That was a tough road trip, @MSU and OSU back-to-back like that. Bo is a great coach. He gets the most out of his players and teaches fundamental basketball. Go Badgers!