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Big2Cat Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:07pm

Worse than Church Women
 
Is it just me, or have you all noticed that basketball officials are worse than church women when it comes to gossiping? As I admitted the other day, I made a HUGE error when it came to enforcing a block/charge the other day. I freely admit my mistake and know I should have gotten it right (and thankfully it didn't impact the game).

I emailed both of my partners, told them how I got it wrong (they had the blarge part) and let's just be better the next day. Anyhow, two days later I am talking to my buddy who then asked me if I was there when the guy messed up at the regional. I said, "It was me! Who did you hear it from?" And I don't care if it is one of my buddies who knew, but it was all guys I never work with and some I don't even know. This business is so filled with cut-throat people who love to see others fail or act like they have never made mistakes. Anyhow, that is my Vent.

Is it the same in other areas? I know I see a lot of attacks and stuff on the boards as well, but at least you are talking to one another and not gossiping behind backs like wildfire.

Scrapper1 Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:17pm

Referees are people and just like people in any other walk of life, there are good people and bad people. Some people love to make themselves feel better by talking about the mistakes and faults of others. That's going to be true in any business, church, avocation, whatever.

I'm sorry that it happened to you, but it does happen.

Splute Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:22pm

Prerequisites to Good Officiating

9. Loyalty to fellow officials implies an active, intelligent desire to carry out the intent of the rules by a well-coordinated team. Each official must be willing to share the responsibility and must avoid attempts to shift the blame. There should be no press or radio interview about a game worked by any official and never any criticism of a fellow official.

That has to begin at home.....

rainmaker Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1
Referees are people and just like people in any other walk of life, there are good people and bad people. Some people love to make themselves feel better by talking about the mistakes and faults of others. That's going to be true in any business, church, avocation, whatever.

...and in any gender, btw.

Snake~eyes Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:23pm

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Originally Posted by Big2Cat
I made a HUGE error when it came to enforcing a block/charge the other day.

Sounds like the crew made a huge error, where were they when you were enforcing it? :rolleyes:

deecee Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:25pm

yes i see a lot of -- "hey you did a good job today" then as soon as you turn your back the axe gets slammed into it around here.

i dont get involved with that but the only thing i do get involved is that there are some guys I wont work with and we have the option to "black-list" certain partners. There are a handful of guys that I will not work with because of several issues with them, mostly I do not respect them because of some of their actions and how they carry themselves.

you cannot stop this all you can do is let your actions speak for themselves. figure out your weaknesses for yourself and address them. I have several and I pregame these in -- like in gray area coverage I tell me partner to help with travels as I am weak with that call, also I like working with guys who have much better rules knowledge in 3rd world scenarios. I have even turned down 2 games simply because I knew that if anything screwy came up I had the potential to screw it up big time and I that could really set me back. if it were just calling a game I would be fine -- but if a screwy situation came up and my partner wasnt sure and it fell on me, well I was just not ready. I have also worked with guys that took games that they were not ready for -- big crowd, competitive players/coaches, cheerleaders -- the whole nine. They get like deer with a headlight on them. know what you can do, and keep trying to improve on that. a big screw up early can only set you back, but if you plan it right and make the right choices who cares what yahoos say about you behind your back.

just do what you do and try and get the people that need to notice you notice you on the court.

REFVA Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:51pm

I have noticed the further up the Referee ladder you go the worst and more shots people take at you becuase of the scare that you may be better than them. Like you will take their last meal off the table..

Jurassic Referee Fri Feb 23, 2007 01:08pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
...and in any gender, btw.

No, no, no....that can't be right. The original post stated "Worse Than Church Wimmen". What could <b>possibly</b> be worse than <b>that</b>(he innocently asked)?

Big2Cat Fri Feb 23, 2007 01:15pm

"Worse than Church Women" is just the old phrase for how fast gossip spreads in church circles. No offense was meant to women, to churches, or to men that feel they gossip better than women and were give the number 2 slot.

FMadera Fri Feb 23, 2007 01:17pm

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Originally Posted by REFVA
I have noticed the further up the Referee ladder you go the worst and more shots people take at you becuase of the scare that you may be better than them. Like you will take their last meal off the table..

Yep, been on the receiving end of many a knife in the back on this one...

deecee Fri Feb 23, 2007 01:19pm

so offense was meant to the 3-toed sloth who we all know loves to gossip about rule interpretations and the gradual decline of Keynesian economics and how it pertains to the inverse of proper mechanical application of said rules.

Jurassic Referee Fri Feb 23, 2007 01:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big2Cat
"Worse than Church Women" is just the old phrase for how fast gossip spreads in church circles. No offense was meant to women, to churches, or to men that feel they gossip better than women and were give the number 2 slot.

Well, I certainly wasn't offended. Hell, I agree with you. It's been downhill ever since we gave wimmen the vote.

And don't get me started on allowing 'em to drive.....:rolleyes:

Time2Ref Fri Feb 23, 2007 01:44pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Well, I certainly wasn't offended. Hell, I agree with you. It's been downhill ever since we gave wimmen the vote.

And don't get me started on allowing 'em to drive.....:rolleyes:


Opps! Don't you mean wimmin? (avoiding any use of the letters m.e.n. in that pronoun)

Great! Now we have the annoying SLANG police.:rolleyes:

Dan_ref Fri Feb 23, 2007 01:47pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Well, I certainly wasn't offended. Hell, I agree with you. It's been downhill ever since we gave wimmen the vote.

And don't get me started on allowing 'em to drive.....:rolleyes:

Be careful.

When Hillary's president she's gonna round you up and you'll never be heard from again.

You looking forward to spending the rest of your life in a cell with Barak Obama?

Jurassic Referee Fri Feb 23, 2007 01:50pm

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Originally Posted by Time2Ref
Opps! Don't you mean wimmin? (avoiding any use of the letters m.e.n. in that pronoun)

Good point.

tomegun Fri Feb 23, 2007 01:54pm

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Originally Posted by FMadera
Yep, been on the receiving end of many a knife in the back on this one...

I have had this happen to me also. This is really one of the bad things about officiating.

Jurassic Referee Fri Feb 23, 2007 01:58pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
When Hillary's president she's gonna round you up and you'll never be heard from again.

No chance there, Carnac, no chance. Hilary has got the same chance of getting to be President as France has of invading Germany. No way, no how. Nada. Nyet. Nuh-huh!

Can you see her with her finger on the button deciding whether to nuke a few red states or not, and her all-wimmin advisory committee is saying "Just go with the flow, hon."? :eek:

Think we made Juulie's head explode yet?

REFVA Fri Feb 23, 2007 02:32pm

Quote:

I have had this happen to me also. This is really one of the bad things about officiating.
Tomegun, you having been from the DC metro area, You must know first hand the politics of officiating especially in Northern VA. It's not what you know , it's who you know... 1st year official had a semi final regional game last night, while 12 of us vets were watching him do the game.. I mean we had D1/2/3 officials sitting from the same association. It got ugly with the pot shot that were being thrown... Sad!!

JRutledge Fri Feb 23, 2007 04:06pm

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Originally Posted by REFVA
Tomegun, you having been from the DC metro area, You must know first hand the politics of officiating especially in Northern VA. It's not what you know , it's who you know... 1st year official had a semi final regional game last night, while 12 of us vets were watching him do the game.. I mean we had D1/2/3 officials sitting from the same association. It got ugly with the pot shot that were being thrown... Sad!!

Is it possible that the people that were sitting were not as qualified?

Peace

BLydic Fri Feb 23, 2007 05:49pm

One of the biggest pieces of advice that I received and continue to remind myself of constantly is "that if you can work you will". Otherwise you will drive yourself nuts wondering WTF!

mplagrow Fri Feb 23, 2007 07:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Be careful.

When Hillary's president she's gonna round you up and you'll never be heard from again.

You looking forward to spending the rest of your life in a cell with Barak Obama?

When Hillary's president, I hope I can go ther too.

REFVA Fri Feb 23, 2007 09:00pm

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Is it possible that the people that were sitting were not as qualified?

Trust me they were more than qualified....The one on the court was not...

Old School Sun Feb 25, 2007 01:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by REFVA
Tomegun, you having been from the DC metro area, You must know first hand the politics of officiating especially in Northern VA. It's not what you know , it's who you know... 1st year official had a semi final regional game last night, while 12 of us vets were watching him do the game.. I mean we had D1/2/3 officials sitting from the same association. It got ugly with the pot shot that were being thrown... Sad!!

I got a problem with this one. A D1/D2 official worrying about a regional semi-final HS game. WTF!!!! If you are a DI official, you should be chasing college assignments. I'm sure you should be able to find some college work somewhere on the east coast and not have to sweat a HS game.

No doubt I would be disappointed that a 1st year official is working such a playoff game. The question that comes up is did this person come in with high credentials from let's say another state. In other words he/she has already worked state playoff games but from a different region. This is okay to me but college officials who barely worked any HS games during the regular season working the state HS playoff games is wrong, imo.

dblref Sun Feb 25, 2007 01:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by REFVA
Tomegun, you having been from the DC metro area, You must know first hand the politics of officiating especially in Northern VA. It's not what you know , it's who you know... 1st year official had a semi final regional game last night, while 12 of us vets were watching him do the game.. I mean we had D1/2/3 officials sitting from the same association. It got ugly with the pot shot that were being thrown... Sad!!

You must have been sitting in the Patriot Center.


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