Backcourt violation?

[mu4scott]

Boys Varsity, two whistle game.

A1 has the ball in their front court near the wing. A1 attempts a hard pass to his teammate near the opposite baseline and inadvertently hits the front of the rim. Ball deflects toward the backcourt. A2 grabs the ball with one foot in the front court and his next step carries him into the backcourt.


Legal play or is it backcourt?

I called backcourt, but I'm not real confident about it.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by mu4scott

Boys Varsity, two whistle game.

A1 has the ball in their front court near the wing. A1 attempts a hard pass to his teammate near the opposite baseline and inadvertently hits the front of the rim. Ball deflects toward the backcourt. A2 grabs the ball with one foot in the front court and his next step carries him into the backcourt.


Legal play or is it backcourt?

I called backcourt, but I'm not real confident about it.

BC violation with or without the rim being involved.

team control
ball with FC status
last to touch in FC
first to touch in BC

[mu4scott]

So your saying it would have been a BC violation even if they had not touched the ball until it was in the backcourt?

[dkmz17]

If A1 made a hard "pass" and not a shot, then team A never lost control and therefore it is a backcourt violation.

[Adam]

Even if they lost control on a "shot," it's a backcourt. A2 regained control with on foot in the front court and the other foot in the air. He has FC status, so the ball has FC status. Putting the 2nd foot down in the BC is a violation.

[Ref in PA]

The thing that made it a back court violation in your opening post was that A2 gained possession in FC and with his next step went into BC.

If A2 had BC location by having all or part of feet already in BC, I would not have called a BC violation. The ball hitting the rim is a "try for goal" in my game. I am not going to try to read the player's mind as to what he/she intended. I will judge the play based on the facts. Ball leaves A1's hands, ball hits rim, therefore it is a try and team control ends. 4.12.2

Coaches, players and fans may argue that it was a pass. It might have, it might not have. I will give the "passer" the benefit of the doubt and call it a try.

[mu4scott]

There was no doubt that it was a pass, it was just a bad pass. It was an overhand toss to the opposite side, in the corner.

I feel confident that I made the right call now.

[David B]

Originally Posted by mu4scott

There was no doubt that it was a pass, it was just a bad pass. It was an overhand toss to the opposite side, in the corner.

I feel confident that I made the right call now.

So if we have the same play and the "pass" goes in the basket, are we not going to consider it a try.

And what is A1 is "passing" and gets fouled and the ball goes in the basket?

IMO its a hard sell to say its not a try when the ball hits the rim.

Thanks
David