Play Situation
 

I observed this play situation in a BV playoff game recently and would like your take on what you have:

A1 shoots misses a contested layup, the ball bounds up in the air in the cylinder. B1 and A2 each attempt to get to the ball, and in the process B1 grabs the ring, pulls it down slightly as he releases it and him momentum carries him down. The ball then fades outside the cylinder without being contacted by anyone. What do you have here?

Technical foul on B1 for grabbing the rim, if no one was under him. You <b>can't</b> have BI if the ring was grabbed while the ball was above it and ball was never touched while it was in the cylinder.

The rules won't support that call.

I disagree.. If the ball is in the cylinder it can't be basket interference unless he touches the ball. If the ball is on the rim or in the basket it is basket interference if he touches any part of the basket to include the net.

JR,

Does someone have to be under him to make the rim grab legal?

Mulk

Ronnie, unless he grabbed the ring to prevent an injury, it should be a "T". that usually equates to someone being under the grabber.

If it's the defensive player..... HELL YEAH!! :D

Why would it have to be the <b>defensive</b> player to be a factor in whether the call is made or not?:confused:

It doesn't, BUT in this case B1 grabbed and held the rim and the defensive player has no business grabbing and holding onto the rim unless he's protecting himself.

Joe,

My point is that you can be preventing injury even if someone is NOT under you. It really has nothing to do with offense or defense.

Mulk, I clearly understand that point. I guess if the offensive player can grab it to prevent injurying himself or anyone in the vicinity, usually because of momentum, then I guess the defensive player can do the same as well.

Um, Joe, on a missed shot, there is <b>no</b> defensive player. Or offensive player either. You use A1 and B1 just to show that they're on opposite teams.

Gotcha JR.... In the OP is it safe to assume that B1 is in his/hers backcourt, and the aforementioned RIM was not B1's offensive rim? I'm somewhat familiar with the A1/B1 concept. I think I saw that somewhere, but thanks for the reminder..:rolleyes:

Thanks Joe, I should have known this!

I think Jurassic's point is that both players similarly have no business grabbing the rim on a rebound.

Yup, along with the fact that there is no player or team control on a shot so you don't have an offense or defense, and there also can't be a backcourt either until someone does establish player control.

You know what JR, I was actually going to say "I'm also surprised you didn't breakdown the team control or lack of it during the shot or any other rule specifics that you can interject your superior rules knowledge on any subject" but cut it out of my original response. I guess my gut feeling about you was correct and should've kept in.

And player control is holding or dribbling a live where??? LoL

In the parking lot.

What if he B1 pulls down a movable ring so that it contacts the ball before the ring returns to its original position? Do we have BI and a Technical foul(as long as no one was under him)?

Joe, if you don't want people answering your posts, why post in the first place?

Don't get mad at me just because you don't have a clue what you're talking about. You're going on about defensive players and offensive players and backcourts when none of those exist. Try learning something about the rules instead of getting pissed off because someone points out your lack of knowledge.

Please feel free to ignore me in the future.

Yup. Casebook play 9.11.4(a).

You knew that....:)

I don't have a problem with any answering or questioning me or what I post. My point was in reference to your post.

Believe it or not, you're not the only one who knows the rules. Yes you use A1 and B1 to show opposite team, but in my world Team A usually refers to the offense or the last team to have team control, and Team B usually refers to defense, and that's how I was responding in my post.

I'm relatively new to this discussion board, but I see a common pattern where you feel the need to debate your rules knowledge and somebody's lack of it. I came on this board to stay in "basketball" mode during the post season, not to debate whether you or I know more or less then somebody else.

Thanks. I did not know that or I would not have asked.:rolleyes:

I don't feel the need to do anything but answer questions correctly if I can. And I basically don't give a damn about you or any patterns that you might think you see either. If I'm wrong and someone points it out to me, I'll simply admit it and move on. If you're wrong, I'm gonna point it out to you too. You'd better learn to deal with it instead of crying like a little baby about it.

That's also my last post to you on this too.

I assumed that you did just from the way that you cited the question, and that you were posting to clarify that for other readers. It's almost identical to the way the rule is stated in the book. There was nothing else meant by my statement.

Sorry about that JR. I did pull that directly out of Rule 4. I was wrong initially with the BI and wanted to be careful with my wording. Also, wanted to make sure there would be a Technical accessed also. :)

Where are you in Indiana? I moved back a little while ago.