someone help me!! - Page 2

JRutledge · #16 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 18, 2007, 10:05pm

I am not sure why this is such an issue. The guy did not ask for a test answers, he was asking about information. If anything what was given might have been helpful. I am not sure how anyone can get upset with that.

Peace

Dan_ref · #17 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 18, 2007, 10:12pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not sure why this is such an issue. The guy did not ask for a test answers, he was asking about information. If anything what was given might have been helpful. I am not sure how anyone can get upset with that.

Peace

Yeah, I too am wondering why the original poster got bent out of shape and decided to insult people.

No biggie though, life goes on.

mplagrow · #18 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 18, 2007, 10:21pm

I've taken master's degree level courses where we were required to glean from the experience of those in the field, rather than rely on some stale, static textbook. Cut him some slack, he's doing what he's supposed to do--learn from those with experience.

Bad Zebra · #19 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 18, 2007, 10:35pm

OK. I'm gonna jump in here and offer my two cents. If ya choose to ignore it, I understand. I still consider myself a relative newbie here. I look at the vast experience and knowledge here and I must say, this is an incredible web resource.

That being said, I have to say that newcomers are sometime treated unnecessarily harsh. It sounds like the OP was looking for some genuine advice. Regardless of the course methods, he chose to come here. Some choose to offer the guy some real advice. Others choose to make snide remarks and more or less insult him and the course. I thinks that's uncalled for.

To top it off, BillyMac chooses to share some genuine stuff with the OP, then HE gets jumped on and insulted. I particularly dislike the comment about it being "good you're a FORMER teacher". Maybe I'm just noticing the nastiness more, but some of you need to lighten up and try to be a little more receptive.

Is that what happens after you've been in officiating too long? Ya get cranky and suspicious?

Like I said. Just my .02. Feel free to pile on if ya see fit.

jkjenning · #20 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 19, 2007, 01:02am

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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

I still consider myself a relative newbie here. I look at the vast experience and knowledge here and I must say, this is an incredible web resource.

That being said, I have to say that newcomers are sometime treated unnecessarily harsh. It sounds like the OP was looking for some genuine advice. Regardless of the course methods, he chose to come here. Some choose to offer the guy some real advice. Others choose to make snide remarks and more or less insult him and the course. I thinks that's uncalled for.

To top it off, BillyMac chooses to share some genuine stuff with the OP, then HE gets jumped on and insulted. ...
Is that what happens after you've been in officiating too long? Ya get cranky and suspicious?

I'll pile on a DITTO!

JRutledge · #21 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 19, 2007, 02:02am

Bad Zebra,

Take it up with the person that made the statements. Everyone did not do anything or treat anyone in any way. Also this is the World Wide Web. People literally from all over the world post on this web site. If you do not like the advice, go somewhere else. If you do not like the responses, I am sure you can find out other information at other places. I can tell you that this site has no more credibility than any other place. Yes, you might have good people that respond, but not everyone has the intentions to help you learn or sees things through the same set of eyes. No one here owes anyone anything on this site. Also it would help if you are new, that you do not come out with guns a blazing when you ask a very vague and ambiguous question.

Peace

Dan_ref · #22 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 19, 2007, 01:20pm

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Originally Posted by mplagrow

I've taken master's degree level courses where we were required to glean from the experience of those in the field, rather than rely on some stale, static textbook. Cut him some slack, he's doing what he's supposed to do--learn from those with experience.

You've taken masters level classes without understanding the fundamentals of the subject?

Bad Zebra · #23 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 19, 2007, 02:02pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

Bad Zebra,

1)...also this is the World Wide Web. People literally from all over the world post on this web site.

2)If you do not like the advice, go somewhere else.

1. Thanks for enlightening me how a web board works. I needed you to clarify for me.

2. To the contrary, I DO like the advice. It's the attitude that turns me off and your last post is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Thanks for validating my earlier point about being unnecessarily NASTY/Rude.

Peace. Out.

JRutledge · #24 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 19, 2007, 02:46pm

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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

1. Thanks for enlightening me how a web board works. I needed you to clarify for me.

2. To the contrary, I DO like the advice. It's the attitude that turns me off and your last post is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Thanks for validating my earlier point about being unnecessarily NASTY/Rude.

Peace. Out.

Why are you here?

Peace

Bad Zebra · #25 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 19, 2007, 02:54pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

Why are you here?

Peace

To learn. To test my rules knowledge. To try to improve...but certainly not to explain myself to you. I believe I'm done with you.

howie719 · #26 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 19, 2007, 02:54pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Yeah, I too am wondering why the original poster got bent out of shape and decided to insult people.

No biggie though, life goes on.

He's a teenager and felt threatend. What would your response have been at 16-18?

JRutledge · #27 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 19, 2007, 02:58pm

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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

To learn. To test my rules knowledge. To try to improve...but certainly not to explain myself to you. I believe I'm done with you.

You already did explain yourself.

As Dan said, life does go on.

Peace

DC_Ref12 · #28 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 19, 2007, 02:58pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

Why are you here?

Peace

I won't speak for Bad Zebra, but I'm here to learn. This is the most active basketball officials' forum I've been able to find on the Web which applies to the field I'm preparing to enter (ie, NFHS/NCAA). There is a plethora of knowledge on here and I have learned tons just in the last few weeks I've been participating.

That being said, the tone at times, especially to new posters, can be very petty and immature. I realize this is a free country, and it's not illegal to be a jackass, but it's also just plain bad manners.

It seems to me that, for some reason a good number of posters, for whatever reason, feel the need to add snide comments, a tone of superiority and/or rude responses as part of a junkyard dog type mentality.

Again, no one is saying, JRut, that it should be required for posters to say only nice things and everyone should hold hands and skip in meadows of daisies. But there is no need for a lot of the nastiness that goes on here, especially to newcomers who are just looking for a place to get started, or get information or just to pick someone's brain about the rules of basketball and/or officiating.

These are not unfamiliar themes. These are everyday things. I often wonder how certain posters on here function in everyday society with the type of attitude they display on this board. If certain posters act they way they do on here in real life, I wonder how they could possibly have any friends or hold a real job or have any respect for anyone. Or maybe it's just that people feel they can act differently when they're talking to a computer screen instead of a real-live human being.

Either way, in the end it all comes down to the golden rule. You don't like being disrespected any more than anyone else out there. So show a little respect yourself.....please

Just my $0.02.

mplagrow · #29 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 19, 2007, 02:59pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref

You've taken masters level classes without understanding the fundamentals of the subject?

Wow, who said that???

Are you advocating that even if you are beginning a master's course, you can't learn anything from people with practical experience in the field? Even as an experienced pro, you can always learn from others. That's why I come to this forum.

JRutledge · #30 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 19, 2007, 03:00pm

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Originally Posted by howie719

He's a teenager and felt threatend. What would your response have been at 16-18?

I know I would have shown more respect. But then again when I was a teenager I did not have the same attitude towards adults as they do today. I guess the parents are responsible for those things.

Peace