What are your thoughts?

[brandan89]

The other night I went over to a local highschool to watch a game between two rival schools. It was a very close game from the beginning, but there was something that I seen in the 4th quarter that I really don’t know if I agree with. The two officials were from my association, but I didn’t feel it was my place to say anything and it was just my opinion of the situation.

The game was in the 4th quarter with 1 minute left. Team B was trying to foul team A. Player 12 from B wraps his arms around player 21 (from team B)s chest. (He was not trying to hurt him, he was just trying to keep him from the ball and foul him.) At this point and time, me personally would have called an intentional, but nothing was called. 21 breaks out and pushes 12 trying to get him off. The referee calls a flagrant technical foul on both players an ejects them. This was senior night and the last game for the home team, and yes, 21 was senior. The parents, fans, coaches, went wild.

I just believe that this could have been prevented if they would have called at least a holding foul, not just let it go.

What do you think?

[Bad Zebra]

I think this is a perfect example of why the FED has stressed calling the intentional correctly. From your description, the defensive player wasn't playing the ball and a bear hug really isn't a basketball move...so what have ya got? Instead of the calling the intentional, both players end up in the showers early. I agree with your assesment that an intentional probably would have prevented the nonsense that followed. Tough way to end a senior season.

[Terrapins Fan]

I agree with Bad Zebra, but even if the ref had called the hold, it wouldn't have escalated.

[26 Year Gap]

And if 21's team is in the playoffs, he may end up not playing. A darned shame. Now where is that squirrel?

[JRutledge]

To say an intentional foul call would have prevented other actions is really not looking at the entire picture. Players get fouled all the time during the end of games or fouled intentionally and they do not react in that manner. Even if the call was made that does not mean the players would not have had a reaction to the bear hug. Also there are situations that we will never know in this story. If the teams had any history with each other that could have played a much bigger role in the following events. The teams were rivals and sometimes situations from other sports and between the schools can spark more fire than whether a call was made or not.

All I can say is I was not there and I have no idea what should have been called. Did you talk to them afterwards and find out if they thought the bear hug was apart of the flagrant act?

Peace

[Bad Zebra]

My thinking is that part of 21's reaction is due to the fact that he got mugged...and no whistle. If everybody heard a whistle right away, one would ASSume that play stops, 21 feels somewhat vindicated, and proceeds to shoot or spot-in.

[brandan89]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

To say an intentional foul call would have prevented other actions is really not looking at the entire picture. Players get fouled all the time during the end of games or fouled intentionally and they do not react in that manner. Even if the call was made that does not mean the players would not have had a reaction to the bear hug. Also there are situations that we will never know in this story. If the teams had any history with each other that could have played a much bigger role in the following events. The teams were rivals and sometimes situations from other sports and between the schools can spark more fire than whether a call was made or not.

All I can say is I was not there and I have no idea what should have been called. Did you talk to them afterwards and find out if they thought the bear hug was apart of the flagrant act?

Peace

No I didnt have talk to them about the play because I did not think it was my place. However, the reason I think the intentional would have put a stop to things is because the only reason why he had his arms around him was to foul. When the foul would have been called he would have let go and wouldent have continued holding him waiting for the foul.