First Time Varsity coach
 

Last night I worked a game with a coach that got his first varsity job this season. I had worked with this coach at another school and frankly I walked away thinking he was kind of a dick (on the court). The school he now works at is literally right down the street from where I live. I have worked their scrimmage there several years even before he became head coach. Last night I had the opportunity to finally work one of his games at the varsity level because of some major snow storm issues that cancelled almost the entire state on Tuesday.

I was the Referee of the game and for some reason I did not shake this coach's hands. I did not realize this at all, there were 6 captains, and I knew the visiting coach for years because of working his games. This was a conference game and the visiting team had just joined this conference because of some major realignment all over the area. I gave me regular speech and we get on with it.

The game starts and we come out and call 6-0 in fouls against the home team. They just were being more aggressive and even fouled a 3 point shooter before he came back to the floor (I called this foul). The coach asked in a very nice way about why I called the foul and wanted to know what the defender was allowed to do in that situation. I just listened and gave him and answer he did not get upset by.

Earlier in the games there were a couple of times this coach's assistants coaches were kind of chirping, but nothing that sparked much attention. Not a few minutes later after a timeout, one of the assistants on the home team comes to me right after a timeout about what he perceived was a hand check. I was at the huddle because I was letting them know of the first horn and this is when the AC said something to me. I told the AC, "I think he can do all the talking (referring to the HC). I know he has had to work hard and earn it, I was working some of his games when he was before he got this position." I said this in a very calm and unassuming voice. The HC in a funny way, "I do remember that, this is why you are holding it against me from what happen two summers ago." I responded with kind of a smirk and laugh and said, "I am sorry you feel that way, but I would not hold anything against your team. You guys are practically in my back yard, why would I have anything against you." This of course was all a private conversation between him and me.

Well after this conversation the fouls went from 6-0 to 7-10 in the first half. The home team took a big lead and held it until most of the game. They almost gave it away later in the game. The home team only won 2 games before last night I believe.

Well in the second half things got a little crazy. I have my first T this year on a player from the home team. I even go up to the home coach right after the T and say to him how I was not going to be shown up by a 16, 17 year old. The coach joked and said something to the effect, "I would have done the same thing."

In another incident the visiting coach got T'd up by one of my partners. This T was not at all related to anything having to do with events with the home coach during the game.

Later in the game after we have called a ton of fouls on both teams and the game was pretty much in hand, I approach the coach and say, "I am not such a bad guy am I?" He laughed and said, "I always thought we were fine, but until two summers ago, I did not know what went wrong."

It was an interesting evening. ;)

Peace

I think a little unnecessary verbiage on your part. Opens the door for possible inappropriate responses.

What happened two summers ago?

I completely disagree. I made the comment so he would understand that the head coach would be the person we were listening to and it accomplished exactly what I wanted it to. His coaches did not chirp the rest of the game. The assistant coach should not be talking to us in the first place, so he was already on thin ice to begin with. Also I do not officiate in fear of inappropriate comments when they approach me. ;)

Peace

I do not know. That is why I found it funny.

Peace

Sounds like a typical coach that has "arrived at the big time" in his eyes.

Had something like that two nights ago

Last year worked a game where the HC was a PITA all first half....AC didn't say boo...at half were waiting for the bench area to clear...they do but after we go to the table and are headed to locker room, AC (who had been fine) stops and turns around near the end of the court and says...."You guys are terrible, you can't tell me they only committed 4 fouls that half."

All I said is "Thanks for the input and we'll be starting the second half with free throws." HC was not happy with us and his AC....especially when I informed him that he no longer has his coaching box.

Had the same team two nights ago and there was a call that they could have gotten excited about.....I'm right in front of their bench and before anything is said, I hear the HC say to his assistant, "Remember, only I can talk to this guy!".

I had to laugh....:) and I guess I got my point across.

I was referring to possible comments from the head coach. I couldn't care less about assistants. I would probably would have just ignored the assistant.

Well the assistant was literally standing right in front of me and turned to make a comment directly to me. I do not think it would have been right to not acknowledge him. And I wanted to get a point across and I accomplished that point perfectly.

About the other comments this fits my personality. I listen to what coaches have to say and I do not want them yelling at my partners or me across the court. If they are cordial and calm I will listen to them. In many cases I use humor when appropriate or I will be stern when appropriate. I will even ignore when appropriate if a coach is not showing respect or has lost credibility with me or the crew based on previous actions during that particular game. I make no apologies for what was said or the circumstances. And I never worry about what their response is going to be. The official is holding all the cards. If a coach is dumb enough to make an inappropriate comment, then that is something they have to do at their own risk.

Peace

The assistant coach thing is a moot point. I'm strictly talking about the verbiage. What if instead of this response from the HC, "I do remember that, this is why you are holding it against me from what happen two summers ago." his response would have been "I do remember that, you cheated my squad out of a victory. You had it in for me."

Would that be a T'able response in your opinion.

Were you at GBS last night? I am trying to think who in the area has a first year coach, and I don't do the Western Sun. Just wondering....

I figured as much, but was surprised you didn't tell him the same thing.

First of all he did not say that. This is a moot point if you ask me. I consider that a moot point because it had nothing to do with this game. Also understand this I do feel officials have the right to respond to questions and comments from coaches. If he said that, then that is his problem. I cannot worry about what a coach thinks about something so far in the past and insignificant to me that he is worried about it. If I gave a T for everything that was implied, I would have two Ts every game at the very least.

As I have stated I do not know of anything that took place 2 summers ago anyway. Summer games are practice from my point of view and I do remember seeing certain teams, but I could not tell you anything about many summer games.

Peace

Amazing, ain't it? Officials just forgive and forget. Well, forget anyway. Some coaches, not all, have memories like an elephant.

That is really the point of the story from my point of view.

Peace

I've done this myself, in fact last week I said almost exactly this to a young HS coach I T'ed early in the game. It was near the end when the game was pretty much decided. It was like a huge weight was lifted from him, until then he had that "us vs them" chip on his shoulder. He smiled, then laughed and practically hugged me. I had to remind him to go back to his bench and not make a big scene.

btw, I would have viewed that "until two summers ago" comment as a huge red flag and definitely would have asked him what he meant in order to smooth it over and set him right the first time he said that. No sense letting him think you came in intending to screw him.

edit to add i agree with both JRs that coaches do not forget anything.

That was the point I was trying to get to. That comment only came about b/c of JRut's initial statement.

I remember officiating in the early days, and my college roommate was the Sophomore coach at a local high school. His teams were always so-so, but for some reason they were 9-0 when I had the games. Pure coincidence, as most of the games were never even that close.

I was so relieved when they finally lost--I was scared someone would know we were roommates in college and think I was doing it on purpose. Thankfully, they (coaches) don't seem so suspicious all the time at the soph. level, and no one ever complained about any of the games.

Well, I disagree with that.

This guy had a bad history with Jeff that Jeff did not remember. It would have come out eventually.

If you say so. :rolleyes:

I think I have a right to respond to a coach and I think I have a right to make the point. His comment did not bother me, so I do not see the issue. If that is something you would get all hot and bothered by, then that is your right. I guess we all have our own temperature level. I just do not sweat the small stuff. In my opinion that was very "small."

Peace

Sometimes you are so full of yourself I surprised you can fit a computer in the same room with you. :rolleyes: I'm "Hot and bothered" about what? I said I would ignore the assistant. How does that equate to "hot and bothered"? :confused: My opinion focused on your comments TOWARDS the asst coach, not any of the coach's comments towards you. You need to work on your comprehension skills, they are really lacking. If there is anybody who doesn't "sweat the small stuff", that would be me. I don't feel a need for long-winded comments to assistant coaches just to show off that I knew their coach "way back when, when he was a nobody." Maybe that's your style, but as you say, one size doesn't fit all.

Why did you start this thread if you are going to be so defensive any about any opinion that doesn't pat you on the back? I'm sorry, was I supposed to applaud for your outstanding wit and great communications skills. :cool:

It sounds like the person that is defensive is you. I posted a story because I thought the situation was funny. Many "respected" officials noticed that and got that point who I know have some years under their belt. I told my partners the story I worked with and they found it funny. I talked to someone through PM and at a meeting tonight. No one said they had a problem with what I said or did or even made the same point you are trying to make. They just found it funny and took it as another war story.

I learned long time ago in my officiating career that what one official does may not work for another official. I know I cannot say things that certain veterans say and get away with it. I know there are officials that cannot get away with some of the same things that I might say. Also if you actually read what I said, I was working his games so that must mean I was nobody too back then. ;) I guess there are just some people that think you cannot make a joke or talk to people that you know will take the jest of what you are saying. I am also in sales for my day job. I deal with people all the time. I know I would not have made those same comments to the visiting coach because we did not "come up together" the same way as I did with this home coach.

I guess you are just going to have to get the stick removed from your behind and learn that the world does not revolve around you way of thinking. I will take what you say into account, but that does not mean I will change anything because what I do works for me. If that comment would have got you run out of the gym than you have to take another approach. I know what I do works very well for me.

Peace

The one thing I take away from this, and granted I wasn't there to hear the exact words used (thus I won't question JRut's judgement), is that the vast majority of the board is willing to treat the assistant coaches like dirt. In fact, many seem to take pride in their less than zero tolerance approach to assistant coaches, and for me at least, this approach is counterproductive.

My opinion is that people who immediately treat assistant coaches with disdain, and giving them the "Mt. Rushmore" are doing themselves a disservice in managing the game. Granted, we can't have multiple voices speaking for a team or disputing calls vocally from the bench, but if an assistant has a respectful question here or there, even about a call I made, I am willing to respectfully answer that question. I won't do it often, but I don't believe in ignoring the assistant or being rude to him (not that I'm saying JRut was in the OP). If I treat the assistants with respect, then I may be able to get a favor from them in terms of helping the team out of a timeout, passing a message or whatever. Plus, it helps to foster a relationship, if I have a tough call and I've been respectful with assistants the assistant could vouch for me with the head coach and help head off a confrontation.

I had one scenario where this helped me earlier this year, and it was with a team I'd never seen before. The assistant had asked me something simple early in the game, I responded politely. Toward the end of the 1st half I had a backcourt call right in front of the bench (near the C, I was T) involving an airborne player leaving FC catching and landing in BC. Coach started to go nuts, assistant calmed him down, and then at halftime the HC came up to me and apologized for his reaction and said the assistant said I got the play right. Assistants can influence the HC, so anything you can do IMO to foster those relationships without any effect on the control of the game can help you during the games.

Well, I think that you're completely mis-reading what the vast majority of officials are saying.

You don't treat assistant coaches like <b>anything</b>. You deal with the head coach only. You can be polite or respond to something from an assistant coach very quickly, but explanations, etc. go to the head coach only. We didn't set up the system that all dealings with the officials should be through the head coach; the NFHS did. It's exactly the same under NCAA rules also. And yes, there also is zero tolerance towards an assistant coach acting in an unsporting manner, as well there should be. Or do you advocate allowing that too?

You're mistaking refusing to allow unsporting conduct from assistant coaches with treating them like dirt imo.

JRut, again, get over yourself. I didn't ask you to change a thing. I gave my opinion on a comment you made. You made the big stink about it. It's funny if someone agrees with you they are one of "many respected officials", but if they disagree then they need to quit being so "hot and bothered" or other such nonsense you conjure up. Who said anything about getting run out of a gym? Where do you come up with some of your conclusions? Again, your comprehension skills are lacking.

I'm at the huddle for the 1st horn signal and an assistant makes a comment about "watching for hand-checking", depending on the day of the week, I'll either ignore it or say "the Head coach can ask me about it" and I move on. If the assistant asks an innocuous question I'll answer it. If the assistant makes a joke, even at my expense, I'll laugh at it. You're not the only one around here blessed with a the gift of gab and an engaging personality.

But I guess in JRut's world, if your opinion doesn't agree with the masses then that means you have a stick up your a$$. "The world doesn't revolve around my way of thinking", now that's funny, especially to anybody who knows me other than through the internet. You may find it hard to believe, but I deal with people all the time also. :eek: Spent 22 years in the military dealing with folks from all 50 states and a couple dozen countries and pretty much do the same thing now as a civilian. But I guess only folks from the Midwest can have a valid perspective on anything that happens in Illinois. :rolleyes:

Come back down here to earth with the rest of us.

You would be very wrong. I work 2 other sports. It is the very same expectation to not tolerate questioning of officials by assistants in those coaches. When I worked my very first D1 Plate Game of my career in baseball last year, I had a play at the plate and the team at bat AC came out to complain and I did not eject them. After the game I was told that I should have ejected him, because he had no right as an AC to question the umpires. At the time I did not realize this was an assistant coach complaining (my mistake), but I was told by a veteran that at that level that was not at all accepted. Even if you watch a D1 Basketball game, you do not see AC getting up in the faces of the officials ever.

Once again I disagree with you. If the HC had nothing to say or ask, I really do not need to be answering a lot of questions from an AC. Now having said that, if an assistant has a question that is related to helping the HC that is different. Usually you might have an AC ask about where the ball will be put in after a timeout and that is OK as long as it is not a debate to why it is put there (which happen this year in a game and my partner let him know very quickly to go back to his bench). I also did not disrespect this AC in my story. I let him know that the HC will be talking for his team. Just like some guys want to only hear from the captain, I only want to talk to the HC. Since the HC has all the pressure and responsibility of the program, I do not want to hear from someone other than that person. The rules also pretty much backs that up.

Here is another aspect you are missing in this argument from my point of view. You make it sound like every AC is just calm and cordial when they comment to the officials. Often times the AC is yelling and screaming, standing up and yelling about a minor call and saying things like, "You need to call that!!!" These confrontations are not as simple as what you have stated. What I did not say earlier in my post is this was about the 3rd time I was being questioned by an assistant and I was right next to the bench. It did not get out of hand and did not happen where that could be addressed, but I wanted that AC to know that the HC can talk to me. Later in that game when I T'd up one of his players for mouthing off, it was the HC that I wanted to give my explanation and the HC even joked with me about that player. It is not as simple as you want to make it. But I can tell you at all levels and sports I officiate, AC are there to assist the HC, not to tell the officials/umpires what to call or not call. The coaches that have been around for a long time know this very well, because they will tell their assistants to "shut up" (which happen to me this season) when they cross a line.

Peace

To me your post shows how insecure in your position you are. I told a story that I found to be funny. When you took on my position I told you along with others why I disagreed with your take, which not only I have the right to do, but you have the right to disagree with my position. Now you are going off on things that were not in the original post or about the topic. I am glad that you think you military dealings are the only thing important to everyone on this board. It is not to me, but thank you for giving your time and energy to a country that often lets people in your situation down. I did not include my life story in this post and in this thread. If you think I should not have said something to the AC the way I did, as I stated I will take that under advisement, but I have been doing this long enough that I can easily reject your advice because you were not there and you do not hire me for any games at any time. I guess some will say that it is arrogant to say something like that, but to me successful people do not listen to every Tom, Dick and Harry that gives an opinion. We are here after all to share opinions and to have discussions. That does not mean we all have to hold hands on every issue and agree with each other no matter how controversial the topic might be. There are some officials that off this board I respect tremendously, but I would not agree with everything they do. Maybe you are not removed enough from your service that you do not realize that in the real world people do not follow orders and only do what someone that feels superior tells them what to do. I guess if I agreed with you then everything would be alright with the world. I guess then I would not be in my own world (but let us also point out that others in this thread had no problem with the interaction as well). I guess sometimes people have to feel important by calling a bunch of names. I have not once said anything person towards you other than addressing what you choose to bring up. I will discontinue this conversation and you can go on calling me whatever you like to satisfy your needs.

Peace

1) JRut msg21" I am also in sales for my day job. I deal with people all the time." Guess there goes you theory about not including your life story. My point was that working in sales is not the only calling in life in which folks deal with people all the time.

2) I missed the part where I took an order or gave an order. I think I stated an opinion:BNR msg2 "I think a little unnecessary verbiage on your part. Opens the door for possible inappropriate responses." Notice the words "I think", which equates to IMO. That was then entirety of my original response. My next response: BNR msg7 "I was referring to possible comments from the head coach. I couldn't care less about assistants. I would probably would have just ignored the assistant." Again, I'm stating what I would do. Not asking or ordering you to change a thing. Like I said previously, anybody who knows me in real life would laugh at your psycho-analysis of me. Especially my boss. Me? Blindly follow orders? Now that is hysterical.

3) JRut msg19 " If that is something you would get all hot and bothered" JRut msg21 "I guess you are just going to have to get the stick removed from your behind and learn that the world does not revolve around you way of thinking." Those 2 comments were personal towards me. As far as name-calling, I've searched high & low and can't find where I called you a name. I said you were "full of yourself" and "you lack comprehension skills" both opinions I based solely on what you wrote in this thread.

If my opinions are so unimportant then feel free to ignore them. But is the fact that other people in this thread "had no problem with the interaction as well" supposed to have some sort of significance? They are entitled to their opinions. Sorry if I'm not playing the role of the good soldier and marching in step with everyone else. I guess I am "removed enough from my service that I do realize that in the real world people do not follow orders".

How about following your own advice. I disagreed with you. Get over it.

You are the one ranting about it. I was telling a story, you are trying to make a value judgment on all the contents of the story. I am perfectly happy with what I said. Are you as secure in the position that others might be taking against you?

Anything you want to lecture to me about?

Peace

I don't think there was anything wrong with the way you handled it. You were there no us. I feel some officials are to quick to wack a guy, because they might be preceived a weak. That's what makes alot of these threads hard to comment on. Only being there can you get the true emotion of the situation. JMO

Well, if this question is open to everyone...Buffalo isn't considered part of the east coast...

:p

The "positions that others might be taking against" me? What are you talking about? One person directly disagreed with me, Dan_ref. I didn't know battle lines were being drawn. You need to calm down a bit. I know the weather is bad and everything, but geez.

I'll repeat: I disagreed with something you said. I stated why I disagreed. That's it. You're the one coming here typing nonsense like "hot and bothered" (exaggeration) and "stick up your behind" (rude) and "I am glad that you think you military dealings are the only thing important to everyone on this board" (where you got this I don't know :rolleyes: ) and "to a country that often lets people in your situation down" (pertinent to this conversation? :confused: ).

Let it go! Wooo-saa, Wooo-saa http://www.unreel.co.uk/reviews/b/Bad_Boys_2/coj.jpg

Well maybe we should take a poll on both issues and see what everyone thinks. :D

Peace

Huh??
 

We really have not gotten over being in the military. We are talking about battle lines us against me mentality is being thrown out all over the place. (It is called sarcasm). :D

I used the "hot and bothered back" on the first page from what I recall. I do not recall saying anything like that since. Also being hot and bothered was my observation to something you seemed to be the only person having a problem with. Also that was a sarcastic comment meant to bring more levity to this discussion. I tend to have a very dry sense of humor and I take things like this not very seriously. Then you questioned my motives for even posting what I characterized as a funny story. I have even said that I respect your position, even though I do not agree with it. What else do you want me to say? You are not the guru of every thing officiating. I can disagree with something you say. I am sure I will do it again on a completely different topic if you give it a chance. ;)

You are the one that keeps repeating the same phrases over and over again that I only said once and I need to get over it? Interesesting. ;)

Peace

First, I want to clarify the comments that I made. I will not permit arguing, nor will I argue with an assistant coach, and I have little tolerance with arguing from head coaches. I will also not allow assistant coaches to continually question me. My argument, though, is that in my experience, we as officials are too dismissive of assistant coaches immediately, and that could create an unwanted air of officiousness and it could cut off future avenues. For instance, if an assistant says something like "can you watch 44's screens for me" during a timeout, I will likely respond politely with, "sure" or "I'll give it a look." The attitude, and maybe I'm wrong, that I get from a lot of officials, is that their response would be more along the lines of, "I don't talk to assistant coaches," or "He's the only one that does the talking here (referring to HC)." I think that mentality is counter-productive. I will not, though allow constant questioning or discussion from assistant coaches. I don't work D1 basketball, but in the D1 games that I have watched, there is a good amount of interaction between the assistants and the officials, particularly during timeouts, and not once have I seen the officials rebuff them simply because they are assistants.

JRut, in terms of your baseball argument, I do not umpire baseball, so I can't comment on that, nor do I think you can really equate the two sports. However, the point that you made referred to an assistant coach coming out to argue, which, from my point of view is different than say, if there was a play at 1st base and the first base coach, who is right there, started to dispute the call (before the HC eventually came out). Do you immediately dump the 1st base coach just for questioning your call?

Maybe I'm reading a little too much into this, but I just think assistant coaches can be valuable tools for us in terms of game management, and I don't think that dismissing them immediately just because they're assistants is prudent.

SME -- I agree and I treat every player and table crew and person in general with the same amount of respect they afford me.

I use assistant coaches if they are nice.
...Shake hands with 'em and everything before the game just like they are regular people.
Sometimes they are the only ones looking when I tell 'em, "First horn."
Sometimes I answer their questions during a dead ball walk-by.
Sometimes I ask them to remind the head coach where the box is.

They don't have poison ivy or sumthin', ... do they? :)

Thank you for at the very least and intellegent debate on this.
 

Then we are just going to have to disagree. Also understand that if that works for you that is OK with me. I am telling you that that if you allow an AC to dictate to you what you are doing wrong, they will take it up a notch (sorry Emeril :D) when they really feel you need to be heard. Also I did not T the coach or advocate T'ing the coach. I wanted the assistant to know his head coach was not complaining directly to me and I had already addressed a similar issue with him, I am not given multiple answers to the very same issue over and over again to different people. If you want to answer about a situation to 3 or 4 different people, that is your right to do so. I want to talk to one person so the same message does not change between different people. After all, the HC is the one that we give the most leeway to anyway.

Well every camp I have been to where D1 officials talk, they seemed to advocate a lot of the same feeling I have shared on this issue. Also what you see on TV and what you know is being talked about on the court are two different things. It really is not right for you to say you know what was said unless you are standing so close to court side or have a microphone near the benches. For all you know they might be talking about where they were spending their vacations. Remember at the D1 level the coaches know the official a lot more and there is more professionalism on all sides of that coin. You do not have assistant in most college settings trying to referee because they know that is not a road they want to go down. College coaches and HS coaches are not even in the same stratosphere in the way they behave on a normal situation.

Let me make this clear. Baseball and football use a lot of the same philosophies as it relates to handling coaches and players. I have yet to hear an experienced umpire or official not make it clear to younger officials at camps or in locker rooms that AC are basically to be seen and not heard. I also think you are taking what I am saying a little far. I am not talking about basic conversation or even asking a simple question. It would be to my disadvantage to not answer some of their questions if it helps them coach their players. What I will not tolerate is open debate, discussion, ranting and raving over a call they do not like. Also in baseball if a coach comes out of their box yelling about how my call was terrible and the HC is not soon to follow, yes they will get dumped. That almost never happens to me because coaches at the varsity and definitely at the college level know better. Also at the college level (D3, D2, NAIA, JUCO) know not to cross that line. If they do, they know what might happen to them and they often just stay quite. Also this was discussed a few weeks ago at the NCAA Baseball Meeting where Dave Yeast (Coordinator of Umpires for the NCAA) used and example in the College World Series where an umpire dumped the 3rd Base Coach (not the head coach) for arguing an out-safe call. He also commended the umpire for trying to get the coach to back off when he was openly disagreeing with a call.

I do not think anyone said assistant coaches have no value what so ever. I think what I have said and JR said that the rules do not allow for them to question our calls. Remember the rules outlaw any disrespectful comments or trying to influence an official's decision. We allow the HC rope when they are not being openly disrespectful or constantly questioning everything we do. The other team's AC was not saying a word and did not say a word the entire game that I can recall. Why should I give this AC an ear when the others are doing their job (this is mostly a rhetorical question BTW)? Of course AC has a role, but it is to assist the head guy in coaching their kids during the game. It is not to assist me as an official on what to call because you did not like something. For the record, I do not need to watch for something anyway. I was watching it already; chances are it did not pass the smell test in my judgment to make a call, especially something like hand checking. ;)

Peace

So if the scorekeeper tells you he did not like your call, are you going to "give him/her respect" then? ;)

Peace

That's about how I treat em' too Mick. Works for me. Sometimes I even tell them that their team is out of time-outs so I don't interrupt the H/C when he is talking during a time-out. They can be useful little buggers at times. :)

Damn, this thread is still going
 

I thought a couple of Vicadin and some Yak & Coke would make it go away. No, I'm not, but you seem to be the king of hyperbole'.

What a novel concept, I sure haven't experienced that before in my lifetime, neither in the real world nor the military one. :rolleyes:

If you have such a great sense of humor (dry or not) maybe you should try using it reading my posts sometimes. ;)

Do not blame what I said to you on reading your posts. I made one comment early in this thread and you kept bring up that point. I had long moved on from that point. Maybe you should practice what you preach. ;)

Peace

I irony of some of your posts never ceases to amaze me, even in a drug/alcohol induced state.

This tells me everything I need to know about you.

Just say no. :D

Peace

BadNews and JRut, I have a 13 and 17 year old. You guys sould like them arguing about 5 years ago.

Both of your points belong in YOUR game. Just agree to disagree and stop all this squabbling. Now hug and sing with me...:D

I did not create this post for the approval of BadNews or anyone. I created this post to tell a funny story and so people could hear how a coach remembers something that many officials could give a damn about. There is nothing to agree or disagree with ultimately. If BadNews or anyone does not like it, there are measures you can take to not answer to this post. I think certain people have issues with the fact that people do not do things exactly like them or look at the world through their narrow eyes. Personally I do not care how people handle situations because I will not be the person that is going to tell them where to do their games. So if you have a huge problem on how I handle people, you will not have to work with me to deal worry about it. I am not going to be told how to do my job with all the training and advice I have been given by officials who have accomplished a hell of a lot more than anyone here.

Peace

I posted b/c I had an opinion on the situation. Whether or not the OP concurs with me is of no consequence. Anything someone posts on this site if free game to be commented on and I will continue to do so. I just don't feel a need to repeatedly tell folks how accomplished my colleagues and mentors are because I'm sure no one cares. I also don't need to tell anyone their opinion doesn't matter to me because I doubt anyone really cares if their opinion matters to me. My posts stand or fall on their own merits. If someone disagrees it won't affect my schedule nor theirs.

Just so you are aware I did not ask for opinion. (Just to be clear)

I can't tell at all. You keep trying to tell everyone how to handle a particular situation.

Of course, but you cannot get mad every time an opposing view point make a judgment as to why you give that position. So if someone feels you are “hot and bothered” about a non-issue, you cannot get upset when that opinion is shared as well.

I also do not feel the need to give an opinion about a story that had no relevace to why a post is made.

Does the truth hurt?

Welcome to the party. ;)

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JRut, just so you know, msg #48 wasn't addressed personally to you so I'm kinda baffled as to why you are quoting me since I didn't ask for your opinion. But since I'm bored and currently in between chores I'll humor you.

And your point? Do I need your permission to give my opinion? If you don't like my opinion ignore it. If you don't care about my opinion why do you keep responding?


Again displaying your inadequate comprehesion skills. I can always count on that from you.

That would be describing you. You always seem the need to type a dissertation anytime anybody disagrees with you. Yet you claim you don't care about anybody's opinion.

The relavence of most of your posts is never clearly discerned. But then again, your motives for posting have no bearer on whether or not I choose to respond. I see something I want to comment on, then I comment. There are about 8,970 posts you have made that I haven't replied to.


Which truth is that? The one I've always known but apparently you are just learning?


I was already here. I was going to welcome you but it wasn't on top of my list of things to do. ;)

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Peace

Separated at birth?

You and BadNews have the same mother. I did not know that. You learn something new every single day. ;)

Peace

Nuff said.
mick