Dissappointed official

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by REFVA

I have had the best season of my short seven season career. This is my third year doing Varsity games. Post season games start on Monday 2/12. we have a voting among the association. I'm not sure why becuase we don't follow the results. I was voted in many catagories with 8 and 9's with 10 being the best and my assignor only chooses to assign me one post season game. I even recieved great votes from the coaches. I am dissapointed tremedously. I never turned down any assignments not matter where or what they were. I was jerked around from location to location last minute many times. I was always praising and giving confidence to all my partner for trying their hardest and giving all they had. I went to 3 camps this year to learn as much as I could. I felt more confidence in myself. All he had to say was you earned it, but you didn't prove yourself. Yet he was never out there evaluating me, not once in seven years. I am ready to shelf this association. This association is true good ole boy network. One of my partner two weeks ago never did a game till this year and he had a Varsity level boys game he was one of my partners. I had to wait my way and work hard for my opportunity. This is a downer. I am ready to hang my sneakers... Do all association work the same way??

If you can referee, then no amount of politics or "good old boy" networks will keep you down forever. Keep working whatever system is in place in your area. Post season games only comprise a very small % of the games that anyone is going to do over the years, anyway. Enjoy the ones that come your way and don't let the lean year(s) affect your next game or season. There is a lot of good basketball to be officiated in the regular season. Those games are important, too.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

If you can referee, then no amount of politics or "good old boy" networks will keep you down forever. Keep working whatever system is in place in your area. Post season games only comprise a very small % of the games that anyone is going to do over the years, anyway. Enjoy the ones that come your way and don't let the lean year(s) affect your next game or season. There is a lot of good basketball to be officiated in the regular season. Those games are important, too.

I believe this whole heartedly. If you can referee, you will get yours, it just depends on what level you get it. For me I might see my first college playoff game before I see my first HS one. I do believe there is a little bit of politics involved, but I also believe that if there is a man there older than me and just as good and maybe not even as good, that he deserves to stay there, because like someone stated earlier he has probably pulled the assigner out of some tough spots before and has always been there to help and I totally understand that. I believe that I am fighting more against guys who are just coming up compared to trying to knock the old veterean out. It's like Dick Bavetta in the NBA. He can stay there as long as he wants with almost no worries of getting kicked out for an up and comer. The people who have to be worried about the up and comer are the guys that are in there rookie to 5th or 6th year.

Sometimes people get the shaft and that in itself is upsetting, but 9 times out of 10 the good referees get there games. Good luck and keep working hard.

[aepitaz]

I can only share my personal experiences. In my area, it takes between 4-7 years to get a full varsity schedule. I know folks who have done it faster, but that is the average.

One of the things that I have come to understand is that you can only go out and call the games that you are assigned. Take the games, do the best job you can for any game and let your work speak for itself.

Assigning is hard, because you want to have the best officials out there for the game you are assigning. You want to have officials that you trust to do a good job. In order for me to get a full schedule, someone else has to give up those games.

Continue to work hard and the tournament games will come. As you become the part of the "trusted" set of officials, bigger and better games will come your way.

[archer]

Well, all I can say is it must be something about Virginia. The association I work in is run by the principles. We the officals have no say so in anything. Our commissioner is picked by the principles. So, well you all know about that...... Our commissioner says he evaluates officals, but works a full schedule. From what I understand he has worked more than any offical in our association, except for the crew he has which they work every game with each other. Last year there was some rumblings about how the officals were picked for the regions. A lot of top officals sat at home b/c the coaches picked who they wanted in the regions. So the top tier officals that wacked coaches for rule infractions sat at home while the gamer officals worked. Funny thing about this is that several of the officals that didnt get region games worked the state final games.
So this year the rumblings have come to a head. About 30 percent of the officals are quitting this year. Our by-laws were changed to state that any offical that is caught talking about the association or to any principle or AD will be suspended.
So all I can say is good luck.... At least you have an association that is run by the officals and not by the principles that has the commissioner in their back pocket

[Bad Zebra]

Have you considered starting another assn.? If there are as many disgruntled officials as you state, then get together and give it a shot. Chances are you won't get assignments from those schools, but what about other private/non-conference schools or even rec leagues? If the current regime is acting as you say they are, chances are there might be a few coaches who would welcome a switch and encourage their AD's/Principals to try a different Assn.

It may take a few years, but you could end up with your own assn. with legit assignments.

[JRutledge]

Since you brought this up, here is some perspective as it relates to where I live.

There is probably between 5000-6000 officials state wide where I live.

For Class AA Boy's Basketball there are 64 Regional sites. Each site has at least 3 officials for all 3 to 4 games. There are some nights where two games are being played at the same time and the IHSA uses another crew for those nights. So that might add only about 10-12 extra officials overall based on availability. So at the very least there are 192 officials (possibly a little over 200 might be realistically needed). The State Finals has 12 officials working when it is all said and done. The Class AA side is the last of all tournaments and this means that more than 95% of all officials are sitting at home during this time. You can only give so many assignments to so many people. Someone is going to stay home even if you rotated completely different people every single year. Then someone would not be upset they did not get a shot then. Then when someone is working that is not very experienced screws up a situation, then there will be many more problems.

Peace

[socalreff]

Originally Posted by archer

Well, all I can say is it must be something about Virginia. The association I work in is run by the principles. We the officals have no say so in anything. Our commissioner is picked by the principles. So, well you all know about that...... Our commissioner says he evaluates officals, but works a full schedule. From what I understand he has worked more than any offical in our association, except for the crew he has which they work every game with each other. Last year there was some rumblings about how the officals were picked for the regions. A lot of top officals sat at home b/c the coaches picked who they wanted in the regions. So the top tier officals that wacked coaches for rule infractions sat at home while the gamer officals worked. Funny thing about this is that several of the officals that didnt get region games worked the state final games.
So this year the rumblings have come to a head. About 30 percent of the officals are quitting this year. Our by-laws were changed to state that any offical that is caught talking about the association or to any principle or AD will be suspended.
So all I can say is good luck.... At least you have an association that is run by the officals and not by the principles that has the commissioner in their back pocket

Wow! I can't imagine working for an association that is not run by officials. The schools have zero say as to who works their games. I guess we're lucky.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

If you can referee, then no amount of politics or "good old boy" networks will keep you down forever. Keep working whatever system is in place in your area. Post season games only comprise a very small % of the games that anyone is going to do over the years, anyway. Enjoy the ones that come your way and don't let the lean year(s) affect your next game or season. There is a lot of good basketball to be officiated in the regular season. Those games are important, too.

This statement is true. To chine in, I think that if your objective to officiating is to work the playoff's in HS. You might be in it for the wrong reasons, and I think that some of these assigners might be able to see that desperation in you, a bad quality. If you're looking at quiting officiating because you didn't get a playoff game, then you where desperate.

To answer the question does all associations act this this. Hell yes! They are all the same. The assigners son at age 20 something will work playoff games before you, you can bet that. Just like I wonder how much of John Thompson III ability got him the head coaching job as opposed to dear old Dad influence. I'm sure there was a lot of other good candidates.

In any event, if officiating to you is all about working the big games. I feel sorry for you, because that is a long and lonesome road to go down and you will spend a lot of nights unhappy. Maybe you should just hang em up. However, on the other hand, I enjoy officiating and I no longer do it for the biggest games. I do it to stay in shape and see how good I can get and how far I can go with the understanding that it's good if I do and it's good if I don't. Thing about it, and take this as advise. If you're trying to move up into better games, you're going to have to quit working a lot of these lower level games or develop a style that you work hard each time out. IOW's, don't let these AAU assigners set you up with too many games and you are dirt tired towards the end and likewise look stupid or lazy working these games. There could be one of these HS decision makers there and they see you in this state, and that's bad news for your career, believe me. I'm sure it has happen to a lot of us and continues to happen because a lot of officials don't get this. It might be your 6th game but it's the state supervisors brothers first game on that court. So from this point on, you can take no more days off when you officiate because you never know who's watching. You want to work the big games, you got to bring it everytime out the gate. Or you can let the lower level games go so that you can only be seen when it's to your advantage, like at the camps. Notice how the guys that are working the finals, you don't see out working any ole games. There is a reason for that.

All in all, like the one poster said. If you are good, keep getting better and someone will take notice. A wise man once, you can't keep a good man down.

[deecee]

A wise man once also said (and I think it was JR) -- ok so maybe not so wise but wiser than ^^

anyways -- he said dont listen to anything by ^^ and if you take advice from ^^ then that's not very good. (I paraphrased -- JR had a few adult words in there that I am not allowed to use because of my dainty little ears).

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by REFVA

I have had the best season of my short seven season career. This is my third year doing Varsity games. Post season games start on Monday 2/12. we have a voting among the association. I'm not sure why becuase we don't follow the results. I was voted in many catagories with 8 and 9's with 10 being the best and my assignor only chooses to assign me one post season game. I even recieved great votes from the coaches. I am dissapointed tremedously. I never turned down any assignments not matter where or what they were. I was jerked around from location to location last minute many times. I was always praising and giving confidence to all my partner for trying their hardest and giving all they had. I went to 3 camps this year to learn as much as I could. I felt more confidence in myself. All he had to say was you earned it, but you didn't prove yourself. Yet he was never out there evaluating me, not once in seven years. I am ready to shelf this association. This association is true good ole boy network. One of my partner two weeks ago never did a game till this year and he had a Varsity level boys game he was one of my partners. I had to wait my way and work hard for my opportunity. This is a downer. I am ready to hang my sneakers... Do all association work the same way??

I did not have a lot of time to address your thread directly, I will do that know. The bottom line is if you lived where I am, you likely would not see a post season game for another few years. In my state the people that give out those games are not part of a local association, but are apart of the state office. These individuals have to sift through a few thousand officials across the state in order to decide who may or may not get a realistic shot. You would be very lucky if you got a State Final in your 17 year (at least on the boy's side). There are so many officials where I live and a rating system that is based on years of data, it is very hard to stand out in a positive way. I do know of places that you could work a state final off the bat and there are officials here that in a 10 year period have worked more than one state final. That would not be at all the case here, because you would have to get in line with officials that were there before you were. Talent is not going to get you automatically past other officials. There are a couple of D1 officials that have not worked a state final because they have not worked enough post season games compared to other officials.

Once again, be happy or blessed that someone even decided you should work any post season. I know in each class they only need just under 200 or so officials to work the entire playoffs (state wide). And this is in a state where everyone makes the playoffs. So there are a lot of games, but not many officials as compared to who might be available.

Peace

[Junker]

Like others have said, it is out of your control so don't worry about it. Personally I just look at tournament games as frosting on the cake. I get more satisfaction from getting put on a good 4A matchup by an assignor that knows my abilities well than to get a 1A game from the state that only knows my ratings from coaches. I've been in for about 7 seasons and have my first tournament games this season on the girl's side. I was hoping to get a couple from the boy's, but it didn't happen. I'll just keep working hard and hopefully it will happen next season.

[REFVA]

All, All I can say to you is thank you for your encouraging words and comment. I should be honored for the one post season game. I have truly worked hard in many ways. Not only on the rules of the games, but my mental and physical aspect of the game. I am going to be 50 in just a couple short months, from a selfish way I wanted to execel quicker and enjoy the officiating while I can still do it.

Tomegun, last year you and I spoke about this where I felt I was too old to want and do this. You proved me wrong, due to encouragement from officials like yourself and others on this web. I guess I really wanted this becuase I was able to taste it. I hope and pray that I will be able to do this again next year. Thanks to you all.

[socalreff]

Originally Posted by REFVA

All, All I can say to you is thank you for your encouraging words and comment. I should be honored for the one post season game. I have truly worked hard in many ways. Not only on the rules of the games, but my mental and physical aspect of the game. I am going to be 50 in just a couple short months, from a selfish way I wanted to execel quicker and enjoy the officiating while I can still do it.

Tomegun, last year you and I spoke about this where I felt I was too old to want and do this. You proved me wrong, due to encouragement from officials like yourself and others on this web. I guess I really wanted this becuase I was able to taste it. I hope and pray that I will be able to do this again next year. Thanks to you all.

A little more.... I was all worked up the year I thought I had "earned" a playoff spot and didn't get it. That lasted a few weeks and then I made a commitment to myself to make sure from that point on, nothing I did or said on the court would prevent me from moving up. I went to 5 camps that summer and got soooooo much better. I also got hired to work college b4 I ever got moved up in high school. For me, knowing that someone else thought highly of my skills was an encouragement to keep getting better.

[TRef21]

Originally Posted by REFVA

I have had the best season of my short seven season career. This is my third year doing Varsity games. Post season games start on Monday 2/12. we have a voting among the association. I'm not sure why becuase we don't follow the results. I was voted in many catagories with 8 and 9's with 10 being the best and my assignor only chooses to assign me one post season game. I even recieved great votes from the coaches. I am dissapointed tremedously. I never turned down any assignments not matter where or what they were. I was jerked around from location to location last minute many times. I was always praising and giving confidence to all my partner for trying their hardest and giving all they had. I went to 3 camps this year to learn as much as I could. I felt more confidence in myself. All he had to say was you earned it, but you didn't prove yourself. Yet he was never out there evaluating me, not once in seven years. I am ready to shelf this association. This association is true good ole boy network. One of my partner two weeks ago never did a game till this year and he had a Varsity level boys game he was one of my partners. I had to wait my way and work hard for my opportunity. This is a downer. I am ready to hang my sneakers... Do all association work the same way??

Hey you aren't alone. I made the playoffs last year being my first year of eligibility. I got 2 rounds of girls games. This was my first year of mens college ball as well. This year I only got 2 games both in the first round on the girls side and being my 2nd of full mens schedule working for 3 assignors in 5 conferences. No boys playoffs what so ever. I felt if they were going to keep on the girls they would send me at least to the quarters or semi's.