Fouls weren't even.
 

Varsity Boys tonight
Fouls:

• 1st half -> H6 V1
• 4th Qtr -> H1 V5

2 point difference in 4th and as I'm administering a throw-in V Coach says [something like], "Mick, I need some help here. We're getting all the fouls."

"But Coach, you didn't say anything in the first half."

Coach says [smiling], "Well no. You guys were better in the first half."

V won.

:D :D :D

May I use this line I loved it?

Pressed sumbmit to soon.

Late in the 2nd qtr, after we have called another foul on her team.

Coach "The fouls are 12-3 this half, come on!!!"

Ref "I know coach, but don't holler at me tell your players." :rolleyes:

Oldie, but a goodie . . . "Coach, I don't count 'em, I just call 'em."

Tonight was one of those nights where the calling seemed crooked to me and I was one of the ones doing it. First half visitors committed the first 6 fouls and my partner called 5 of them. Second half in about a 2 or 3 minute stretch I called 5 in a row on home. "The refs are even cheating against each other!" (nobody actually said that) Fouls wound up pretty much even in both halves.

I had the semi finals of a middle school tournament last week and in the girls game the fouls were 13 on the home and 3 on the visitors in the first half and then 11 on he visitors and 2 on the home in the second half...the same thing happened in the boys game....I think that it is a fairly normal thing as coaches and players make adjustments at halftime. If a team had 13 fouls called on them in the first half then they probably wont play as aggressive in the second half while a team who only commits 3 fouls in the first half can afford to play a little more aggressive in the second half...It usually evens out!

Of course it evens out. Haven't you ever heard of MAKE UP CALLS??

But then again if it doesn't even out haven't you heard of BLATANT CHEATING??

I use the same one Big Dog uses. I don't like to hear anything along the lines of "tell you rplayers not to foul." Its a bit too inflamatory, smart-a$$y, and smacks of telling a coach how to coach....as much as I fantasize about that last one.:D "Come-on coach! Thats one of the worst substitution patterns I've ever seen! Go back to junior high!":D

One that can only be used with a coach whose team is leading:

"Coach, I could even out those fouls, but I would also have to even up that score." :D

Foul Count
 

I was in a game this past weekend that the coach was complaining about the foul count, but her team was pressing most of the game and committing the fouls. At the end of the game she told me the what the total count was and I said, Coach, your point is?:D

Coach: ref we are 8 to 2. Give me a call.

Me: I am giving you the calls. It's just not the call you want..

I actually had this happen to me this year - I called a travel on the V team in the first half. As I'm going past the V coach, he says, "Look, I don't disagree that was a travel, but you guys have called 7 travels on us and only 2 on them!" (Geez, now they're keeping track of travel calls?...) Well, along the lines of Nevada's response, I looked up and saw the fouls were H-4, V-0, and asked him if he wanted me to even up the foul count as well. He said, "No". Funny thing - I didn't hear a word from him the rest of the game about counts.

I had this last night. I called 5 or 6 fouls on the home team and none on the visitors and I started to feel like I was picking on them.

"Coach - I don't commit the fouls, I just point them out to the scorer when they happen."

I had a coach last year yell at me at the half because his team had 9 fouls and the other team only had 2. He had an 18 point lead. I told him I would even out the fouls and the score if he wanted me too...he took the lead and got whacked up by 25 points in the second half complaining about the fouls again.

Clueless!

Had a 7-8 year old youth coach once give me the, "It's 7 to 2 ref, come on!" Not a single touch foul in those 7, all hard contact and most had a kid on the floor. Again I hear, "Come on it's 7 to 2."

I go over and say, "So what are you saying?" "Are we incompetent or cheating, because I want to know just what this T is going to be for."

First half, if the fouls are 4-0, it must still be the first quarter. You had nine travel violations in the first quarter?! That must have been some bad basketball....

Conversly, this reminds me of one of my favorite officiating stories.

ACC game in the late 80s or so, and Jim Valvano was not happy with the way a game was being called. As one of the officials is near the bench, Jimmy says "Hey (I can't recall his name right now)...can you T me up for what I'm thinking?"

Confused, the official says "No, of course not."

Jimmy shoots back: "Good. Cause I think you suck."

Official is laughing too hard to give him the T.

Actually, it was a college game, so it was the first half.

And, yea, it wasn't the best game I'd ever seen... ;)

One of the guys in my crew told a coach the other night who was complaining about the fouls being uneven that he should be happy about it...cuz it was the only place he was ahead on the scoreboard all nite! lol

Hank Nichols was the official. I just read it in a book by John Feinstein.

Watched a tightly called large school boys game the other night, and these guys called the first quarter real tight. 11 fouls (6/5) by at the end of 8 minutes, and very little chirping from the coaches, only on the close ones.
2nd quarter was clean, same with rest of game until things were tight and fouling 'had to be done.' Those guys accomplished what I would guess is their approach and the rest of the game moved along real well. You hear, 'let is play,' and after the teams adjusted to the officiating, that's what they did. They played.

A March to Madness, right? That's a great book.

My Coach(s) respond with: "Well, then call more on them ..... " :eek:

"OK Coach. Here's another one."

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Two nights ago, during a timeout...

Coach finishes with his players and turns in my direction. "The fouls are 8 to 2."

From my spot on the floor, I look up to the scoreboard and wait until the 15 second horn (about 10 seconds). "Yes, I believe you're right."

Worst case
 

The worst case of lopsided fouls I ever saw occured last year. By the middle of the third quarter, we'd called 14 fouls on the home team and none on the visitors. The coach was absolutely livid. It got to the point that I was afraid he'd start yelling and screaming when we finally called one on the visiting team, something like, "They've been doing THAT all game, why are you going to start calling it NOW?" He didn't say anything.

I do remember his comment in one rant: "I've never seen anything like this before!" My immediate response was, "Neither have I!"

If he would have known anything about coaching, he'd see the difference (other than the fact that his team was small and outclassed). His boys sat on the perimeter and shot 3's they couldn't hit. The other team drove the lane.

The coach was only 7-8 years old?????

I had one the other night. Fouls 6-0 in favor of V. 3 minutes left in half before 1st home foul. V: Broke press easily and scored all of their points on lay-ups that were not contested. H: had the ball for 80% of the time and worked the ball around until finding a lane to drive to the hoop. V coach: Oblivious to the above.

"Dave, we have a math major on the sideline."

Was working a Girls and Boys Varsity double. The home team was good both games, but were aggressive, so they naturally got some fouls. The other team was a little young. For 6 quarters, the foul count was roughly 7-1 in favor of the home team. No one really complained, but was a little frustrated. Finally, in the 3rd quarter of the boys game, I "finally" call a foul on the visitors. It was the first time in my life I got a standing ovation for making a call. Of course, it was in good taste and humor; I found no malice, just playing the refs. I went by the home coach on the way to the bench; he was going, "It's not me, it's not me!" I said, "Relax coach, just keeping me humble." The best part was my partner saw what I was getting, and called a foul of his own. Got a standing ovation, but not as loud and long as mine :D

Favorite line on a foul discrepency. "Coach, which one of your fouls don't you think you deserved"

Ohhh, muxbule, I like that. Can I use it? I've got a team tonight for the fourth time:eek: Yes, I know. But its where the assignor sent me.

The coach for the home team has been wacked in all three games. My partner got him in game #2, but it was me he trailed off the floor at games end screaming about the foul count. For game #3, he hid on the base line while his team did layups, so he wouldn't have to come over for the coach's meeting. Didn't come to the bench until after we were lined up for the jump.:p I got him 2:00 into the game for screaming that the first three fouls were all on his team. His team plays a physical half court trapping man to man. His team is big, so his opponents tend to play a tight 2-3 zone. HMMMMM.

THe funny thing is that the AD there is an official and when we asked him about the guy, HE CALLED HIS OWN COACH AN A$$HOLE:eek:

I'm the R tonight. My coaches meeting should be interesting....or the gutless wonder may hide again.

When a coach says something about a foul count to me, and you can quote me on this, I say, " ."

How do you get him to verify properly equipped and sportsmanship?

We decided while standing and watching warmups that we would hold him accountable if they weren't properly equipped. Sportsmanship is handled in a separate Captains Meeting.

Easy ..... N_O_N_E

I think he was referring to his maturity level. :rolleyes:

Forgot the little winky thing.