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Old Tue Feb 06, 2007, 10:09pm
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I don't know about y'all, but when I know a team is in a sitch where they need to foul, I tend to get real quick with the whistle. I hate to see a team keep whacking and grabbing and not get the ref's attention. I was watching a girl's JV game like that tonight. Team B was down 3 with a minute and a half left, and only 3 fouls on the board. It was obvious they were trying to foul, but apparently they weren't getting 'enough' contact in the officials' viewpoint.

Then B1 puts her hand right between the numbers on the back of A1 after she dribbled past and gave her a push. Obviously not a play at the ball, right? Do you have an intentional when you see that push in the back? I think I would, but it wasn't called so I was wondering what others thought.
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Old Tue Feb 06, 2007, 10:12pm
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Then B1 puts her hand right between the numbers on the back of A1 after she dribbled past and gave her a push. Obviously not a play at the ball, right? Do you have an intentional when you see that push in the back? I think I would, but it wasn't called so I was wondering what others thought.
You could use this example in a video about intentional fouls. Why even ask?
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Well, the reason I ask is that it is so obviously an intentional foul--yet I still see officials who are afraid to call it that. I guess that's why they were in the JV game.
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Old Tue Feb 06, 2007, 10:17pm
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I'm with you as far as using a quick whistle during a fouling situation. I tend to think it prevents problems rather than make the fouling team push or hack very hard. It also keeps you away from having to make the intentional call when they have tried twice already to get a foul and neither of them were called.
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Old Wed Feb 07, 2007, 12:08am
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If you have a quick whistle during "fouling situation" are you calling the game consistently? Are you calling more touch fouls than earlier in the game? I don't know if I agree with the concept but have seen it done.
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Old Wed Feb 07, 2007, 12:19am
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If you have a quick whistle during "fouling situation" are you calling the game consistently? Are you calling more touch fouls than earlier in the game? I don't know if I agree with the concept but have seen it done.
When the situation calls for it and it's obvious, call it. Otherwise they'll make sure you call it by using the shove in the back or worse.
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Old Wed Feb 07, 2007, 12:37am
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Isn't this a POE this year?? Call the intentional foul!
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Old Wed Feb 07, 2007, 05:10am
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I don't know about y'all, but when I know a team is in a sitch where they need to foul, I tend to get real quick with the whistle. I hate to see a team keep whacking and grabbing and not get the ref's attention. I was watching a girl's JV game like that tonight. Team B was down 3 with a minute and a half left, and only 3 fouls on the board. It was obvious they were trying to foul, but apparently they weren't getting 'enough' contact in the officials' viewpoint.

Then B1 puts her hand right between the numbers on the back of A1 after she dribbled past and gave her a push. Obviously not a play at the ball, right? Do you have an intentional when you see that push in the back? I think I would, but it wasn't called so I was wondering what others thought.
This is exactly what happened in the Nevada/Hawaii game on this past Saturday. Perhaps you should ask that officiating crew. (BTW does this make them GJV officials! )

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If you have a quick whistle during "fouling situation" are you calling the game consistently? Are you calling more touch fouls than earlier in the game? I don't know if I agree with the concept but have seen it done.
Great comment. The NFHS said this in one of its POEs this year.
2006-07 POINTS OF EMPHASIS
5. Rules Enforcement and Proper Use of Signals.
A. Rules Enforcement.
Contact – Contact that is not considered a foul early in the game should not be considered a foul late in the game simply because a team "wants" to foul. Conversely, contact that is deemed intentional late in the game should likewise be called intentional early in the game.
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