Team without possession calls time out during live ball
 

Team A on offense was in there front court moving towards the basket when I heard time out requested. Like a rookie I blew my whistle before I realized it was by Team B the defense that called the time out . I tried to correct it by giving the ball back to team A for a throw-in but my partner (with more experience) stopped me and said it was an inadvertant whistle and we need to go to the possession arrow which went to team B. I dont feel that was the right or fair call and couldnt find it in the book. We were playing NCAA rules. Can anyone give me a reference for this?

Go with POI

Rule 7 5:21

Rule 6 Section 3 Art 1.G

Play on, unless there is no player or Team Control, then you go to the AP.:D

that is completely wrong -- i dont have my rulebook here to give you reference but inadvertant whistle ALWAYS goes POI -- you only go to the possession arrow if there was no team possession -- like a loose ball or rebound or during a shot.

in this case once you blew your whistle team B can now call their timeout -- Team A ball after the TO is over. you screwed up but oh well its not that big a deal.

but more experience doesnt mean he knows whats right because what he did was WAY wrong. ALWAYS GOES POI -- point of interruption on an inadvertant whistle.

5.8.3. Grant time out then resume POI.

Sorry that was 5.8.3E

To which post are your refering too???

In HS, yes you would grant the TO and give the ball back to Team A.

In NCAA, it's an inadvertent whistle and you go to POI which is Team A's possession.

Rob, he's referring to the OP.

And Philz, your partner was completely wrong.

Oops
 

:o Deecee, wfd21 and smoref hit it on the money.
As you said, you blew the whistle with Team A having Player/Team control. Ball is now dead. Team B can request and be granted TO. Return play w/POI. Thus Team A has the ball OOB at the location of the ball when you blew the whistle.

This definetly falls under 5.8.3E

The OP clearly stated that this was under NCAA rules. NCAA and NFHS handle this play differently.

In the NCAA rulebook 5-8.3 covers Extra Periods and sections 5-9 through 5-14 cover Timeouts.

You DO NOT lose Team Control during a loose ball! If there is an advertent whistle during a loose ball, you go to POI.
See thread below
http://forum.officiating.com/showthread.php?t=29802

Actually this is the prior thread that deals with loose ball/inadvertent whistle.
Although my other attachment is about granting TO.
http://forum.officiating.com/showthread.php?t=29772

yes it seems sloppy however correct by the rules...and also the T for the coach who wanted an AP throw in. maybe chuck should get in here and make this a change for next year -- or at least an exception.

inadvertant whistle during loose ball goes to arrow. seems fair and right to do it this way.

Define "loose ball"

The wairing of no underwear!!!!! Opps, thats loose balls.....

as in where there is team control but no player control.

Two words. Lance Armstrong.

I like it the way it is. So therefore, I decree no change be made.

snaq no change to what?

1) Please use the quote button so we know WTF you are talking about.

2) I disagree with your proposed change. Using the arrow on an inadvertant whistle when there is team control but no player control would be a disadvantage to the "offense."

1) why use a quote when I responded to your question about define a loose ball

2) how is this not a disadvantage to the defense as well?

No change to the definition of POI to use the arrow when there's team control but no player control. Then, if you have an IW (or double foul) during a pass, you have to go with the arrow. Or, if you have an IW during an interrupted dribble, you have to go to the arrow. It works fine the way it is. The fewer times I use the arrow, the better.

deecee, it's always a guess when trying to determine to whom or which post you are referring.

trying to keep you on your toes -- but do you appreciate it NOOOOOOOO -- :)