Those insignificant rules and mechanics and other such minutia

[Raymond]

It had been a quiet HS/JuCo season so far with no unusual situations, then the last 2 nights I get this:

Game 1:

• In warmups 1 player has on red headband matching his team's uniform color, but all other teammates with headbands are wearing white

• I'm U2 responsible for V team and I count 14 players (it was hard, trust me). Later 'R' comes back from table says we almost had a problem b/c V only had 13 names in the book. Whoever copied the names in the book completely skipped a player

Game 2:

• I'm the 'R' and U1 has to call my first 2 tosses back b/c I out-tossed the 6'7" & 6'5" jumpers and they completely miss the ball both times.

• As I'm waiting to start the 2nd quarter, crew member from the game prior to mine points out that one of the players is wearing a frayed cut-off undershirt. I let my partner know and he goes to inform the coach. But I was happy to see the player immediately run back to the locker room.

• We may or may not have screwed up a possession arrow (I still don't think we did). But I have a coach who is telling me that it's a correctable error and that we should wipe out the subsequent basket and foul

• Partner has an unruly fan directly behind bench. My partner DOES NOT GIVE HIM THE STARE. Partner notifies game admin who have the Sherriff's deputy escort out the offender.

• I receive my first ever police escort after a game

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

My partner DOES NOT GIVE HIM THE STARE. Partner notifies game admin who have the Sherriff's deputy escort out the offender.

No STARE?

No "T"?

Old School is just gonna be soooooooo disappointed in you.

[Nevadaref]

My comments are in red.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It had been a quiet HS/JuCo season so far with no unusual situations, then the last 2 nights I get this:

Game 1:

• In warmups 1 player has on red headband matching his team's uniform color, but all other teammates with headbands are wearing white (Simply make the team make a choice. They wear one, but not both colors.)
• I'm U2 responsible for V team and I count 14 players (it was hard, trust me). Later 'R' comes back from table says we almost had a problem b/c V only had 13 names in the book. Whoever copied the names in the book completely skipped a player(Help your R understand the rules properly and inform him that it does not matter what was copied into the book, but rather what the team supplied to the scorer.)

Game 2:

• I'm the 'R' and U1 has to call my first 2 tosses back b/c I out-tossed the 6'7" & 6'5" jumpers and they completely miss the ball both times.(Why did your U1 call back either toss? Unless the ball strikes the floor without either jumper touching it, it is a legal toss and the game should continue. Ugly does not equate to illegal.)
• As I'm waiting to start the 2nd quarter, crew member from the game prior to mine points out that one of the players is wearing a frayed cut-off undershirt. I let my partner know and he goes to inform the coach. But I was happy to see the player immediately run back to the locker room.(While the previous game official is correct, he should not say anything to you as he is not part of this game. It is your crew's job to notice this and take care of it.)
• We may or may not have screwed up a possession arrow (I still don't think we did). But I have a coach who is telling me that it's a correctable error and that we should wipe out the subsequent basket and foul
• Partner has an unruly fan directly behind bench. My partner DOES NOT GIVE HIM THE STARE. Partner notifies game admin who have the Sherriff's deputy escort out the offender.(An official out here told a fan to "Sit down and shut up" during a game yesterday! The whole gym heard him say it. I wonder what some people would think of that.)
• I receive my first ever police escort after a game

[BktBallRef]

BadNwsRef, good thing NVRef was around. I'm sure you didn't know what to do in any of those situations.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

[list]I'm the 'R' and U1 has to call my first 2 tosses back b/c I out-tossed the 6'7" & 6'5" jumpers and they completely miss the ball both times.

Enlighten me: What's wrong with the jumpers (I assume you mean at the toss' apex) missing the ball?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

My comments are in red.

I'm the 'R' and U1 has to call my first 2 tosses back b/c I out-tossed the 6'7" & 6'5" jumpers and they completely miss the ball both times.(Why did your U1 call back either toss? Unless the ball strikes the floor without either jumper touching it, it is a legal toss and the game should continue. Ugly does not equate to illegal.)

If both players "completely miss the ball" then why would you doubt the ball "strikes the floor without either jumper touching it"?

Is this yet another type of 3rd world play I'm not getting?

[Nevadaref]

Because I've seen it many times where the two jumpers initially miss the ball, but are able to hit it on a second swipe after returning to the floor and prior to the ball striking the floor.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

BadNwsRef, good thing NVRef was around. I'm sure you didn't know what to do in any of those situations.

Shut up.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Because I've seen it many times where the two jumpers initially miss the ball, but are able to hit it on a second swipe after returning to the floor and prior to the ball striking the floor.

Oh, why didn't I think of that?

Let's go back and look...

I'm the 'R' and U1 has to call my first 2 tosses back b/c I out-tossed the 6'7" & 6'5" jumpers and they completely miss the ball both times

Oh yeah, that's why.

Any other 3rd world explanations you need to pull out of yerazz?

[Corndog89]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

• I receive my first ever police escort after a game

My first 3 years calling varsity was in the Florida panhandle...there were always armed police at games. They would stand near our exit to take us from the floor to the locker room...and often actually escorted us all the way. A few times they even escorted us to the parking lot. Hell, I thought that was ops normal.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Corndog89

My first 3 years calling varsity was in the Florida panhandle...there were always armed police at games. They would stand near our exit to take us from the floor to the locker room...and often actually escorted us all the way. A few times they even escorted us to the parking lot. Hell, I thought that was ops normal.

Newport News and Hampton both provide at least 2 armed policepersons (hi Juulie) at every public HS game within their city limits. But they've never escorted any of my crews out before last night. I believe it occurred this time b/c the school with the ejected fan has been involved in 2 off-court incidents this season (neither of these 2 events involved players or coaches).

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

My comments are in red.

Nevada, I wasn't posting b/c we didn't know how to handle each situation. Just that it was weird to me that these thing happened to me for the first time this season all within a 24-hour period.

The cut-off undershirt I feel embarassed about b/c I had noticed sometime was funny about the kid's uniform but it just didn't register in my brain what was wrong.

As far as the missing name from the scorebook, the 'R' discovered the problem during his pre-game conference with the table and had the problem corrected on the spot. Nevada, are you saying that the 'R' should have administered a T? (just curious)

[Corndog89]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Newport News and Hampton both provide at least 2 armed policepersons (hi Juulie) at every public HS game within their city limits. But they've never escorted any of my crews out before last night. I believe it occurred this time b/c the school with the ejected fan has been involved in 2 off-court incidents this season (neither of these 2 events involved players or coaches).

I was doing a rivalry game between 2 small town Florida panhandle schools that were only 15-20 miles apart and a brawl broke out in the stands. 7 or 8 cops seemed to appear out of nowhere and had it totally under control in about a minute and a half. I got to say I was most impressed...and most relieved.

BTW, we found out later that 3 fans spent the night in jail, all over a HS basktball game...just amazing.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

NevadaAs far as the missing name from the scorebook, the 'R' discovered the problem during his pre-game conference with the table and had the problem corrected on the spot. Nevada, are you saying that the 'R' should have administered a T? (just curious)

No, I think he was concerned by the R saying you almost had a problem. Nevada, I think, is indicating that the visitors had done their part and a T wouldn't have been called for because the visitors had supplied the book on time.
That said, taking care of it early (like your R did) prevents a problem; because even if you don't call a T in the end, you've still got a delayed game while the whole mess gets sorted out once V13 comes into the game.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

No, I think he was concerned by the R saying you almost had a problem. Nevada, I think, is indicating that the visitors had done their part and a T wouldn't have been called for because the visitors had supplied the book on time.
That said, taking care of it early (like your R did) prevents a problem; because even if you don't call a T in the end, you've still got a delayed game while the whole mess gets sorted out once V13 comes into the game.

That is correct.