Here's another good one for Rocky to chime in...

I disagree. We are the moral police. We judge what is fair and acceptable versus unacceptable. When a team is ahead by 40 and still pressing the other team up the court. For some of us, obviously not you Deecee, a moral flag goes up that says this is not right.

I disagree again. If we are talking college or the pros, okay, this makes sense. But we are talking kids in high school. Your position encourages the very thing we don't want. We don't want our children to group up without any class to themselves. To often, and I don't agree with this, but far too often we hear about coaches and referee's using bb as a tool to teach life lessons. Well, what lesson or you teaching when you run the score up on your opponent who you are obviously better then?

Here's the reason why I want to see Peyton Manning win the Superbowl. He is such a class act. Do you remember a game, I believe it was 2 years ago. Peyton had marched the Colts down the field late in the game and had a chance to score another TD. The Colts didn't need the touchdown because they had the game in hand. Peyton either threw the football OOB to the back of the endzone or he kneel the ball, I can't remember which. But it was 4th down. This is class. This is what we should be about when teaching our youths. I for one am not in the camp of leaving this responsibly solely to the school or administration. We as officials can do something about it too in case some programs goes afoul.

How about Old School's ideas for calling technical fouls on fans? That fits in too. Rocky?

Can you give a flagrant technical foul to a fan?

Potential #3 here, but there are so many to choose from I hate to decide so quickly.

It's already in the rules JR, no need to modify this.:)

Only the free throw shooter.

It's called sarcasm...like most things about officiating, we found something else you don't understand.

Whatever....

right because the colts have NOT won a game by more than 7 points since Manning joined the team. you sure he wasnt trying to avoid a sack.

it is the PARENTS responsibility to teach LIFE lessons -- coaches that do and that teach morality and good sportsmanship are a bonus not a necessity that we should worry about. we enforce the rules as they pertain to each team having a fair playing field -- it is not the GOOD teams fault that they are good -- its the natural imbalance of abilities that will always dictate that -- that and PREPAREDNESS some teams just are POORLY coached -- why not T up the coach for not preparing their team.

old please post a picture of yourself in your official gear holding up a piece of paper that says basketballofficial.com and post here -- I am as open minded as they come and you have managed to make me agree with JR, Nevada, Dan and many others that I try very hard to disagree with :) - A cookie isnt enough for you you need a brownie.

This statement doesn't surprise me after learning your position on this topic. Drive it down there throats, don't let up until the game is over. Funny how America tends to not like teams like this.

No, no...I'm done...check out my #3 under the OOB thread...it's perfect and fulfills the terms of my penance beautifully!! :p

last i checked america likes winners -- no matter the cost.

I think OS is trying to form a group of super officials that do everything -- from officiate, to coach, to play the game, to manage the game/stands/fans/table, to do the scorekeeping, to man the cameras for all the televised games, to sell the popcorn

i just have one question is it going to be a 2-man or 3-man super crew that will do all this?

Change KICKING definition
 

Current Rule:
"Rule 4 Section 29 - Kicking the ball is intentionally striking it with any part of the leg or foot."

Proposed Change:
"Rule 4 Section 29 - Kicking the ball is intentionally contacting it with any part of the leg or foot."

Affected Case Plays:
Change title of "4.29 Situation" to "4.29 Situation A."
Addition of "4.29 Situation B: A1 is on the floor with the ball lodged between the upper part of the legs. B1 attempts to gain possession of the ball by placing two hands firmly on the ball; however, A1 applies vice-like force with the upper legs, which prevents B1 from gaining possession of the ball. RULING: A1 has committed a kicking violation. The intent of this rule is to prevent a player from gaining an advantage by using any part of the leg. Although A1 did not strike the ball with any part of the leg, the player did gain an illegal advantage by intentionally contacting the ball with the leg(s). (4-29)"

Thank you, Chuck.

No doubt, it's the "no matter the cost" that scares me.

Officials Manual Changes
 

Change Basic Procedures and Mechanics - Two Officials - Fouls - 233 (completely) to read:
233. Free Official:
a. Freeze field of vision to observe players until the reporting official turns to observe players.
b. Ignore the ball while the foul is being reported.
c. Anticipate anything unusual relative to the next play, such as, but not limited to, false double or double fouls, one of two shots, change of side, etc.
d. After the foul is reported and the reporting official is observing players from new position, while keepinig the players in view, secure the ball and move to the proper position for the ensuing play.
e. Do not run through the players.
f. If free throw(s) is to be taken, insure the proper free thrower is on the line.

Change Basic Procedures and Mechanics - Two Officials - Fouls - 234 (completely) to read:
234. Switching Principles:
a. The official who calls the foul remains as Trail.
b. There is no switch on a foul in the backcourt going to the frontcourt.

Thanks again, Chuck.