Are Coaches Crazy?
 

Girls JV last night....Home team has 7 players, visitors 12. Home team looks bad in warm ups. Visitors, look good, they are tall & athletic. Game starts. Home team takes the lead, 2, 4, 5...1st quarter 5 points. Visitors can handle the press, but the press is putting the home team in fould trouble. Half time Visitors down 10. Visitor coach is beginning to complain and he is very loud. It's a small gym. 3rd quarter starts with home team on a 12- 2 run. Visiting coach removes all his starters and puts in 5 subs, most of which were much shorter than the home team, I am talking 5' , 5'2" very short. Home team streches the lead to 30 and no sign of the starters coming back. We're in the 4th quarter not and the coach is complaining about EVERYTHING. He wants a "T", he is begging me for a "T" on one play, he asks " how was that not a welk?" so, I go to him and explain that the player can lift the piviot foot without walking. He is screaming at me over and over....I knew what he wanted and I wasn't giving it to him. No matter what was going on, he was screaming and complaining. There wasn't a person in the building that could not hear him. Final score they lost by 32 points.

Would you have given him the "T"?

In that state, if you are tossed ( and that's what should have been done) they loose 3 games pay and can't coach the next 2 games. That had nothing to do with my decision not to "T" him. In some of the comments he made to me, he refered to the high school I attended and that was why I sucked as a ref and several other comments. My partner agreed, he wanted it and not giving it to him was better than giving it to him.

Wow, he screamed at you, got personal, continued doing so? And you think it was better not to T him?
Wow! :(

You say "because it looked nothing like this", then you bust this out your pocket:

http://www.internationalpolka.com/images/Welk.jpg

a ONE, a TWO

This is a joke right?

I mean, you can NOT be serious, right?

Right??

I didn't read your post. I only read the thread title and I'll answer YES!:D

Are you serious?

This is a joke, right?

Are you serious?

This is a joke, right?

Seriously Turttle Fan, this should've never gotten to Point #2. You essentially used the excuse "I wasn't gonna give him what he wanted" as a reason to not have the balls to call the T. It's obvious he was frustrated, and you let him turn the entire game into an unpleasant experience for your partner, all the players, other coaches, and fans.

The presence of a welk alone is enough for a T. Seriously, there's some good jazz out there but it has never been found coming from a welk! :)

I'm curious...what is the rules or philosophical basis for not giving the coach a T simply because he wants it? You've said you didn't give it to him because he wanted it, but I'm interested in knowing why.

HEY! My wife is a Welk and that's my father-in-laws late second cousin. I think. Lay off the Welk's!!!!! :D They're really a fun bunch!!

Because he was trying to get to me. He wanted the "T"

AND, if I "T" him up, I have to write a report as to WHY I "T"ed him up. If he were winning, he would have gotten the "T", If it were a close game, he would have gotten it. but down 30, what's it going to do?

It's going to teach his JV girls team that even the coach can't get away with poor sportsmanship, no matter what the game situation is.

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And if he keeps getting them, the school may get a clue and find someone who acutally can coach, which benefits everyone.

The truth comes out. Too damn lazy to do the paperwork afterward. Just get one of the many canned reports your association has on file from past incidents, modify it a little, and slap a stamp on it. How hard can that be? By letting this go on and on the whole game, you made a travesty of the whole situation.

Nah, he's just kidding us.

It's all a big joke.

To be honest, I don't see how "T"ing the guy up helps the game. If I gave a "T" every time a coach showed unsportsman like conduct, I'd give a couple of "T"s every night.

If the palyers talked to us like the coaches so, we'd "T" them up, but we put up with. I was not going to give this guy what he wanted. Period. If this guy were from a state where I didn't have to write a report, he still doesn't get the "T" . BECAUSE HE WANTED IT.

He embarrassed his team and his fans.

And you are embarrassing yourself here.

Some one should say it, so I will.

He might have embarrassed his self, his team, his fans and the state he was born in, but he humiliated you.

The answer in this situation is exactly what I did earlier this year: assess a flagrant technical and an ejection with one. A coach who's team was getting stomped gradually built up more and more contempt. He hadn't yet reached the screaming point (an automatic T), but it was clear he was asking for it so he could use that to blame us for the loss. He was warned, then kept going, so he was tossed. Never bounced a coach, but he deserved it and he damn well knew it, too.

I agree with most of the other posters as it appears you let stuff go that shouldn't be let go. But if you do want to wait because you think they are baiting you into one for whatever reason, if they clearly cross the line, toss him. I can assure you that, along with a report filed, he won't do it again.

Wrong.

This guy was tossed last year by one of my partners. I "T"ed him up last year in a different game. He is who he is. That's life.

No he is not going to change. I am comfortable with not giving him a "T".

And you are right, he was looking for someone to blame for his loss.

I remember a coach who already had one technical and was practically begging for another one. He asked the referee, "why don't you just throw me out?" The referee replied," Because I want you to stay here and watch your team continue to get their butts handed to them!"

Un-freaking-believable.

If you start giving out technical fouls for unsportsmanlike behavior, maybe you wouldn't always be the recipient of unsportsmanlike behavior.

You're in the wrong avocation, Fan. Officiating obviously isn't for you.

And his fellow officials there......:rolleyes:

Yep.....try Libby's in downtown Milwaukie on Tuesdays........:cool:

And every time you worked those games the coaches would know you aren't putting up with any bullsh!t and your games would go a lot smoother.

Here's my story about dealing with a coach who showed unsportsman-like conduct every game:

Used to have a HS GV coach around here who had a reputation for being an a$$-hole (well deserved IMO). Two seasons ago in the first game of the season I T him up 4 minutes into the game. Coach of course is completely shocked but sits down, shuts up, and his team goes on to win the game easily. Towards the end of the season I have him again, this time at his place. He sees me as I'm headed to the locker room before the game and makes a comment about me T'ing him up earlier in the season. Games starts, he being a jerk as usual, but he's not saying anything T-worthy in the first half. 3rd quarter, his team is now up by 40 and he's unhappy about a no-call in front of his bench. Ball goes the other way and my partner has a foul against the other team (Partner doesn't report foul immediately b/c he has to break up some players from a pile). Home
Coach is still going off about the no-call at the other end and before my partner can make it towards the table I T up the Home Coach. I turn away from him still waiting on my partner but Coach is stilling going off and is out the box, so I T him again. (Yes, I have just ejected a coach who was up by 40 points)
Well, I didn't have that coach again untill the next season. Coach shakes my hand in pre-game, but my partner does all the talking (coincidentally same partner as ejection game). Games starts, coach says 2 things to me all night and his behavior is pretty much exemplary. My 3 techs the previous season taught that coach that I wouldn't put up with his behavior and it made my last game with him an uneventful experience.

Do not put up with unsporting behavior, period. Grow some gonads and take care of business. The coaches and players will adjust. When I walk onto Rec League and military intramural courts with my stripes on, the coaches and players know I'm not going to tolerate any bullsh!t.

Terp, You had to give the guy at least one T and probably should have tossed him before the night was over. There's just no justification for not doing so.

He should get the T because he was trying to get to you.
It'll do what my T did last night in the JV boys game when the coach was down by 30. It'll get him to quit whining and making excuses for his kids.

Is that the one over on Van Buren? Any good?

Oh, and Terp--did you try giving him the dreaded STOP SIGN?:eek:

That reminds me, I have to write my report. :)

Let me see if I understand this, you let him carry on, being a distraction and disruption, flaunting the rules, acheiving unrivaled levels of unpenalized unsportsmanship all because...what? Because you decided to dig your heels in and not give him what he wanted? My children play that same stupid game too. I'm pretty sure they'll outgrow it.

Who the hell cares whether or not he wants it, and if he does, why. That is entirely not our concern. We are there to enforce the rules, and that includes penalizing poor sportsmanship when it happens. To not take care of business is to do a disservice to the game, to the players, to the other coach, to your partners, to Grandma Millie who came to watch little Sally play and has to endure the debacle you're allowing, to the crews that follow you and will have to work harder to clean up your mess.

Bottom line, he f'ed up your game, and you helped him do it.

No, I ignored him. He did not have an effect on my game at all. I thought it was harrilous how he was embarrassing himself and his team and his fans. THEY need to have him removed. If I "T" him up, it looks like the officials are against him and that why they lost. It's his excuse. He has no excuse because we didn't do it.

I didn't "T" him up and neither did my partner, he also had the choice. He agreed with me, we did the right thing.

I guess you had to be there.:)

It's also ridiculous how badly you're embarrassing <b>yourself</b> by posting such nonsense. The coach, the team and it's fans all knew what was going on. Anybody watching that game could see what was going on. You just didn't have the balls to make the <b>right</b> call.

You're saying that if you call a technical foul, it makes it look like the officials are against the recipient? There isn't another official in the world that's gonna buy that particular crock of doodoo, Fan. That's just another excuse you're trying to use to justify your complete lack of testicular fortitude. One of an seemingly endless array of excuses too.

You ain't gonna like that but there it is.

JR,
I have guys in my association that have not "T"ed up a coach in over 30 years as an official. I tossed one 2 weeks ago. I have called about 4 or 5 this year. So You are wrong that I don't the balls. I do. I will use the "T" when I believe it is needed. I do not believe that calling a "T" in that situation would have changed the game. The visitors were down by 30, the subs were all in and losing. If it's a game under 10 points, him losing the ball, 2 free throw and the other team getting the ball can be a 6 point difference...it's a good call there.

Look at it this way, in a game that has a 20 point or more spread do you call the game the same as a game with a 5 point spread?

So from now on, I should only call T's that will change the game. Check.

Let me say it for you, JR. Lah, me. . . .

You got 'er. If a coach calls you an azzhole(oh...about 14 times), fuggedaboutit because it won't change the game.

Another interesting game management theory.....:)

Other situations aren't relevant. What other officials do, did or don't do isn't relevant either. The only relevant thing is what happened in that particular game that you posted about. in that game, the coach b!tch-slapped you around like a red-headed stepchild. And you just meekly took it without doing or saying anything. Multi times too. That's simply embarrasing to all other officials as far as I'm concerned.

You can make up excuses from here to next year. I personally ain't buying any of 'em. But hey, the good thing though is that it's just my opinion. It really doesn't mean anything anyway.

Might as well let 'er go. I am. I'm just repeating myself now anyway.

Changing the game doesn't mean affecting the score or the winner's identity. It can also mean calming things down and getting the coach under control. When I called the T in my JV game (called it on the losing coach who was down by 35 at the time), it shut him up the rest of the game. That's how my game changed, and it changed it for the better.

The rest of the game in this case was under 3 minutes.

3 Quite minutes!!!!:D

I threw a T in a JV girls game with about 3 minutes to go on a team that was down 30. bottom line, i didnt hear one peep from their bench the rest of the game. It was so much more peaceful, and it was so much easier to concentrate on the game. I would T up a coach after the end of the 4th quarter if he deserved it. Say he walks up to me after the game, on the court and says "YOU F*CKIN SUCK!" BEEP! peace coach... ur outta here, im writin up my report, and ur A.D. is gonna be on ur @$$ about it