Kicking it
 

Great game tonight. GV. Arch Rivials. 3 point game with home down 13 seconds left. TO. Home brings the ball down court. I am trail table side.

A1 gets off an off balance 3 point shot with 2 or 3 seconds left. I watch her get it off and follow the ball to see if it is good. No good, B1 rebounds the ball , game over...but the coach is going nuts...seems his girl hit the floor and wants the 3 free throws. I never saw a foul...I kicked it, because I followed the ball, but I do not believe she was fouled. game over.

I just post this just to help others watch the shooter at the end of a game. The defender wasn't even within 4 feet when she shot, still I should have stayed with the shooter....

I've done this in a boys' freshman game; but I turned my eyes to the paint to help on the rebound. Not a last second shot, but the shooter got "boxed out" before he landed. At least, I'm thinking that's what happened. I ended up having to call the T on the home coach for going bonkers, standing (boys coaches in Iowa do not have the coaching box) and yelling, "God D@mmit! Didn't you see that foul!?"
Easy T, but I knew I'd blown the call. A calmer response from the coach would have earned a guilty plea from me.

why are you watching if it went in? do you ever watch the ball -- why would it change now -- all you need to make sure is that the ball left the hand before the horn -- then officiate as normal -- get the shooter till shes back to the ground then step down to officiate the rebound

I watched the ball because I wanted to see if we were going OT...Guilty....Going over it in my mind, the ball left,she came back to the floor, I went with the ball and rebounders...I saw no contact at all.

Sounds like she wouldn't have had three shots anyway; if you saw her come to the floor unfouled.

terrapins what i am asking you is why are you watching the ball? do you really ever watch the ball -- no -- as trail you step down and observe and you can see the ball in your field of view -- but you shouldnt ball watch -- that will get you hammered by evaluators

So he knows what he did was a mistake, which is why the title of the thread is "kicking it" and he admits it was a mistake, and he told you why he made the mistake. The real question is why are you riding him about it?

Ever hear the story about the scorpion and the frog?

i am not riding him -- just reiterating ball watching and its perils

Do I want to?

After he's already created the whole post to talk about ball watching and its perils. Seems kinda like piling on.

Gee thanks, couldn't have figured that out on my own. :rolleyes:

My pre-game always includes "Let's watch the shooters all the up, and all the down". Just something to remind ourselves. (Not that it always works. . . :rolleyes: )

Here, you'll need these:

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LMAO!!! It's like my fingers had selective amnesia or something. I'm not even going to edit it. That's too funny.

Hey Terrapins, Been there and done that, Was this a 2 or 3 person game? I can see it happening in a 2, but not a 3. As Scrapper said , This is always pre gamed as a reminder. Bet it won't happen to you again for a while. Keep going strong. Part of the moving up process.

Trail Responsibilities
 

The play described in this thread involved varsity girls. If this were a boys varsity game, wouldn't the trail official be responsible for the flight of the ball to watch for basket interference ?

Similar, from a previous thread:

My worst call of the year: Girls varsity. A few seconds to go in the first quarter. I'm the trail, responsible for the shot and the clock. A-1 attempts a three-pointer from my primary with no defender near her. Still no horn. I watch the flight of the ball. It clangs off the rim and bounces high above the rim. Still no horn. In a boys game, I would be watching for basket interference, but since it was a girls game, I decided to glance at the clock, due to the new definite time knowledge rule, in case of a rebounding foul. Tenths of a second left. I turn back to the ball and basket to see the ball enter the basket at the buzzer. I count the three-pointer to end the quarter.

A few Team B players politely tell me the ball hit a supporting wire. I can also tell from the reaction of the crowd that it probably hit the supporting wire. I go to my partner who was the lead, to see if he can help me. Of course he can't, which I already knew, because his responsibility is to keep his eyes down, looking for rebounding fouls. But I ask him anyway, to show the Team B head coach, who is questioning my call, that I'm trying to get as much information as possible. My partner says that he didn't see it hit the supporting wire. I tell the Team B head coach that I can't change a call without definite knowledge, and I say "I'm sorry if I missed it". He says, "Sorry doesn't take away the three points" and appears very upset with me.

In the locker room at halftime, the junior varsity officials, who had stayed to watch the varsity game, say that the ball did hit the supporting wire. Going onto the court after halftime, the Team B head coach apologizes for losing his temper, which never even approached the need for a technical foul. I accept his apology, and explain to him that I missed the ball touching the supporting wire because I had glanced at the clock to check the time. Before the second half started, all the members of the table crew, from both teams told me that the ball had hit the supporting wire.

My question: Since the scorers and the timer at the table are considered part of our officiating crew, could I have gone to them for help on this call at the end of the first quarter to correct the call ?

No. You own it.

It was 3 person.

I've wondered this before. What is the table allowed to help us with on the floor???

Could you use the information from the home team's bookkeeper if they are sure and the visitor's bookkeeper says that they didn't see it?