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bronco Wed Jan 17, 2007 06:51pm

"Reestablishing" inbounds
 
How long ago was the rule changed that a player could be first to touch a ball if they came from OOB to inbounds, once they had one foot in? I was talking to a parent recently, and just told them it was changed in the last couple of years, but I wasn't sure exactly. Thanks.

zebraman Wed Jan 17, 2007 06:52pm

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Originally Posted by bronco
How long ago was the rule changed that a player could be first to touch a ball if they came from OOB to inbounds, once they had one foot in? I was talking to a parent recently, and just told them it was changed in the last couple of years, but I wasn't sure exactly. Thanks.

It wasn't changed recently. The rule has been that way as long as I've been officiating.

bronco Wed Jan 17, 2007 06:59pm

Thanks, then I wonder where this thought comes from, since it seems like quite a few people think it. Oh, well.:rolleyes:

zebraman Wed Jan 17, 2007 06:59pm

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Originally Posted by bronco
Thanks, then I wonder where this thought comes from, since it seems like quite a few people think it. Oh, well.:rolleyes:

LOL, we could cover quite a few pages on what "quite a few people" think the rules are. :)

mplagrow Wed Jan 17, 2007 07:49pm

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Originally Posted by bronco
Thanks, then I wonder where this thought comes from, since it seems like quite a few people think it. Oh, well.:rolleyes:

Probably from that other league, the NFL, where you can't be the first to touch the ball when you come back inbounds.

Eastshire Thu Jan 18, 2007 01:48pm

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Originally Posted by bronco
How long ago was the rule changed that a player could be first to touch a ball if they came from OOB to inbounds, once they had one foot in? I was talking to a parent recently, and just told them it was changed in the last couple of years, but I wasn't sure exactly. Thanks.

I had a partner come to me after I called a foul on B to tell me that A had touched the ball first after being OOB. I gave him a strange look and told him that he was inbounds when he got it. I just now know what he was talking about. :rolleyes:

Adam Thu Jan 18, 2007 02:31pm

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Originally Posted by Eastshire
I had a partner come to me after I called a foul on B to tell me that A had touched the ball first after being OOB. I gave him a strange look and told him that he was inbounds when he got it. I just now know what he was talking about. :rolleyes:

Good thing he waited until after the game.

wfd21 Thu Jan 18, 2007 03:02pm

This is a college rule.

Nevadaref Thu Jan 18, 2007 05:12pm

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Originally Posted by wfd21
This is a college rule.

No it's not.

You have a misunderstanding of what the actual NCAA rule is. It does not penalize a player who was legally OOB and then came back in and was the first to touch the ball.

jcarter Thu Jan 18, 2007 05:24pm

Although, now you could probably call that a violation. Why was the player out of bounds in the first place?


Rule 9: Violations and Penalties
Section 3: Out Of Bounds
Article 2


Art. 2... A player shall not leave the floor for an unauthorized reason.
Note: The dribbler has committed a violation if he/she steps on or outside a boundary, even though he/she is not touching the ball while he/she is out of bounds.

tjones1 Thu Jan 18, 2007 05:32pm

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Originally Posted by jcarter
Although, now you could probably call that a violation. Why was the player out of bounds in the first place?


Rule 9: Violations and Penalties
Section 3: Out Of Bounds
Article 2


Art. 2... A player shall not leave the floor for an unauthorized reason.
Note: The dribbler has committed a violation if he/she steps on or outside a boundary, even though he/she is not touching the ball while he/she is out of bounds.

From my experience, you get these comments after a throw-in. The thrower will pass the ball to a team mate and it gets deflected back to the thrower and they are the first to touch it inbounds.

deecee Thu Jan 18, 2007 05:47pm

the only exception is the dribbler cannot step out of bounds then come back inbounds and be the first to touch.

and jcarter most of the time (99%) players are out of bounds because their momentum carried them there. the other 1% of the time is the violation for the offense and I cannot imagine a defensive violation ever needed to be called for this. the defense might but it would probably be for him chasing after the offensive player who just commited his violation first...

Jurassic Referee Thu Jan 18, 2007 06:07pm

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Originally Posted by tjones1
From my experience, you get these comments after a throw-in. The thrower will pass the ball to a team mate and it gets deflected back to the thrower and they are the first to touch it <font color = red>inbounds</font>.

:confused:

Wasn't the teammate that deflected the ball the first player to touch it in-bounds? And wouldn't it be a legal play anyway if it was deflected and touched the thrower who was now in bounds?

Are you into the <i>ganja</i> again today, Tanner?:D

Scrapper1 Thu Jan 18, 2007 06:48pm

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Originally Posted by jcarter
Although, now you could probably call that a violation. Why was the player out of bounds in the first place?

I think that's why Nevadaref said that the player was legally out of bounds, and then came back and was first to touch. In order for it to be a violation, the player has to go out of bounds for an unauthorized reason, like going around a screen.

mplagrow Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:57pm

I never like the wording on that, "for an unauthorized reason." If that's what the rule is, shouldn't we be given a list of "authorized reasons" to go out-of-bounds? Makes it sound like they need a hall pass from the ref or something. "Sir, may I go out of bounds to. . ."

Hey, who authorized 12 to go out of bounds after that loose ball, anyway????

Adam Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:46pm

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Originally Posted by deecee
the only exception is the dribbler cannot step out of bounds then come back inbounds and be the first to touch.

Not quite, but close. The dribbler could be the first to touch if you rule it an interrupted dribble. IOW, if the dribbler loses control of the ball before going OOB, composes herself, and runs right back in and picks up the dribble again; it's perfectly legal.

Jurassic Referee Fri Jan 19, 2007 03:16am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Not quite, but close. The dribbler could be the first to touch if you rule it an interrupted dribble. IOW, if the dribbler loses control of the ball before going OOB, composes herself, and runs right back in and picks up the dribble again; it's perfectly legal.

It's also legal if she doesn't compose herself.:p

Dan_ref Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:18am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
It's also legal if she doesn't compose herself.:p

What if she decomposes herself?

btw, What is Beethoven doing now?

A: Decomposing.

M&M Guy Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:29am

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
What if she decomposes herself?

btw, What is Beethoven doing now?

A: Decomposing.

So, did you read that on a fortune cookie, too?

Dan_ref Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:34am

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
So, did you read that on a fortune cookie, too?

No, I think it was a line from the "Dude, someone stole my car" movie.

M&M Guy Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:07am

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
No, I think it was a line from the "Dude, someone stole my car" movie.

Thanks, dude.


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