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JRutledge Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:13am
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Originally Posted by Texas Aggie
I wouldn't. Not to that comment, at least. He wants you to say something so he can go off on you. Just say, "OK", and move on. Chances are he won't say another word and will get pissed (mostly at himself) because you weren't baited into a fight.

Guys, take my word for it, the letters O followed by K does wonders. You obviously have other tools at your disposal, but if it isn't a question, why respond?
Then that is your style and you have the right to do that. I on the other hand have another style. I am going to address that comment in some way. Now if you just want to say "OK" and move on that is your prerogative to do so. I on the other hand know a comment like that is going to come with another smart aleck comment if it is not addressed. Then I will have to give a T for something stupid that I do not want to.

Peace

budjones05 Wed Jan 17, 2007 01:11am
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Originally Posted by Texas Aggie
I wouldn't. Not to that comment, at least. He wants you to say something so he can go off on you. Just say, "OK", and move on. Chances are he won't say another word and will get pissed (mostly at himself) because you weren't baited into a fight.

Guys, take my word for it, the letters O followed by K does wonders. You obviously have other tools at your disposal, but if it isn't a question, why respond?
I have said ok and the coach was still on me like white on rice, a paper plate, a glass of milk, and a snow storm. With me coming back with a respectful comment, he will be most likely to NOT to complain about every call me and/or my partners make. OK can only go so far

Nevadaref Wed Jan 17, 2007 04:55am
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Originally Posted by kmw
the home coach tells me that " a varsity official would not call that"... I respond...
by blowing the whistle and forming the T sign with my hands. His comment was clearly disrespectful.

Rich Wed Jan 17, 2007 08:29am
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
by blowing the whistle and forming the T sign with my hands. His comment was clearly disrespectful.
I don't get it -- it wasn't a varsity game, was it?

That said, I'd probably just laugh and make sure the coach saw me laughing, but that's me.

tomegun Wed Jan 17, 2007 08:50am
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Originally Posted by swvaref
VB home team up by 7, other team foul, both teams in double bonus. We go to shoot freethrows, home team coach asks for a intentational foul, I told him the foul I called was a hand check since the visting was fouling to stop the clock. He ask me isnt that what the rule book says that if a player grabs isnt that intentational.I said coach the foul I called was not the foul that he wanted. He turned and told his assistance, "thats alright he's missed the entire game anyway ". Iasked him Coach would you care to repeat yourself". He did not say anything. Does this situation call for A Tech because I heard wht he said That was his 1st comment to me up that point that was negative he just question calls all night
Why why why are you talking so much to a coach? Answer the question and move on. If you think he did/said something that was over the line - your line - give him a technical foul.

Scrapper1 Wed Jan 17, 2007 08:55am
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Originally Posted by kmw
I call the charge and then the home coach tells me that " a varsity official would not call that"...
Last week, I did a D3 NCAA game and no-called a very marginal contact situation. It wasn't even a push, it was like a brush from behind. Immediately after the brush, the ballhandler traveled, which I called.

The coach wanted the foul, obviously, and said, "This is the big time, this ain't no high school game!"

I didn't respond at all. Same kind of comment as you got, kmw; kind of saying that the level of this game is beyond you or you're not ready for it. But since my assignor obviously thinks I am ready for it, the comment is not worth my time.

Scrapper1 Wed Jan 17, 2007 09:01am
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Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan
Well, My goal for this year was not to give any of my precious "T"s away,
Very silly goal. Much more productive things to work on.

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I have tried to avoid it as much as possible "T"ing him up again. He pushes all the referees every game.
Why try to avoid it? I don't get that. If he brings it on himself, you give it to him (which you obviously did in this game). If not, you don't. Why worry about avoiding it?

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I did have a trigger finger....But that is behind me and no "T"s in my last 15 games!:D
Maybe I'm just not in tune with what you're trying to get at, but I can't say that I like the way you seem to deal with technical fouls.

Scrapper1 Wed Jan 17, 2007 09:04am
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Originally Posted by ChrisSportsFan
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Originally Posted by bud
Well this is kind of similar that happend last night. I had a fast break and a-1 does this shoulder dive on a planted b1. Charge. Coach says that is not a charge because he didn't "fall" down. I told him that he can't go and charge into somebody like he is a running back.
With all due respect, :rolleyes: this comment is not at all similar to the other comments in this thread.
It's not? The original post was about a block/charge situation that resulted in a PC foul and the coach made a stupid comment. Bud's post is about a block/charge situation that resulted in a PC foul and the coach made a stupid comment.

Seems quite similar to me. Is one of us missing something?

(And why roll your eyes when talking about respect? If you respect him, don't roll your eyes. If you don't respect him, don't say you do.)

tomegun Wed Jan 17, 2007 09:10am
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Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan
Well, My goal for this year was not to give any of my precious "T"s away, but 2 weeks ago, I had to let a few go. Three to be exact....It's a fairly long story, but fun if you have the time.

History, I "T"ed this coach up 2 years ago. I have been doing his games for 5 years. I get about 3 or 4 of his teams games a year. I have tried to avoid it as much as possible "T"ing him up again. He pushes all the referees every game.

Early in the game, he was out of the coaches box and I told him to get back in the box. He did. Later, he was out of the box again ( on the floor ) and I told him to get back in the box. He laughed at me. I had enough of him being a smart A$$ and I "T" him up. He asks why and As I am reporting to the table, I tell him he has lost the use of his box and must remain seated., Shoot 2 free throws and bring the ball in opposit the table...his team rebounds the ball and brings the ball down court..where he is on his knees in the coaches box...BANG "T" " Coach you are gone" Again, he knew what he was doing, he was pushing my buttons and I pushed back.

First time in 7 years that I have every ejected a coach. Next night, a different coach is out of the box and I tell him, coach stay in the box....next time down the floor, he has both feet beyond the side line on the floor "T", I warned him and I wasn't going to go through it over and over. He remained seated the rest of the night...BTW, the "T" came in less than 2 minutes into the game...I did have a trigger finger....But that is behind me and no "T"s in my last 15 games!:D
This is not good. :mad:

ChrisSportsFan Wed Jan 17, 2007 09:13am
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Originally Posted by kmw
I had this happen tonight in JV boys game. Home team player A1 dribbles in to lane on a fast break, opposite defender on lowblock comes over and stands somewhat under basket... A1 charges into him... I call the charge and then the home coach tells me that " a varsity official would not call that"... I respond that I will call that tonight since its a charge".... Here in KY there are separate rating systems and I am on the bubble on boys varsity side but full varsity on girls.... and he knows that.... I don't "t" him because I know he is working me... what does everyone think?
I know ther is NO imaginary circle under the basket but was this kid playing defense? I didn't see your play but oftentimes around here, a kid standing under the goal taking a crash is either a blocking foul or nothing depending on the severity.

On the other hand, you mentioned in another post that this coach pushes all the officials. If everyone would give him a tech when he earns them, (A) he's got some 'splainin to his AD. (B) the conference recognizes there's a problem. (C) your assignor will now move from backing you 100% to 110%.

REFVA Wed Jan 17, 2007 09:16am
I get so frustrated and it may not be the same in other areas. The coach holds a lot of power with who he wants to see advance or not and who he or she wants to see for games. That puts a lot of strain on some officials. i did a Varsity girls game last night and the team was from a different region and normally has different association doing their games and he out right accused our crew for cheating and slanting the calls the other way. and he has the power to not request us as a group. How do we as official hold strong if that is allowed.

ChrisSportsFan Wed Jan 17, 2007 09:17am
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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
It's not? The original post was about a block/charge situation that resulted in a PC foul and the coach made a stupid comment. Bud's post is about a block/charge situation that resulted in a PC foul and the coach made a stupid comment.

Seems quite similar to me. Is one of us missing something?

(And why roll your eyes when talking about respect? If you respect him, don't roll your eyes. If you don't respect him, don't say you do.)
I took the original post as more questioning a T. I know I also just commented on the block/charge call in another post but I'm just saying.

Also, I didn't post the icon as a roll the eyes, as others have done in the past, it was meant to look up at his post.

Thanks for the imput Scrapper :eek:

ChrisSportsFan Wed Jan 17, 2007 09:21am
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Originally Posted by REFVA
I get so frustrated and it may not be the same in other areas. The coach holds a lot of power with who he wants to see advance or not and who he or she wants to see for games. That puts a lot of strain on some officials. i did a Varsity girls game last night and the team was from a different region and normally has different association doing their games and he out right accused our crew for cheating and slanting the calls the other way. and he has the power to not request us as a group. How do we as official hold strong if that is allowed.
I hear you. Coaches are always looking for an advantages, exploiting matchups, scouting teams, etc to help their team win. If they are given this huge lever that they can flip which will both help their team win even if it means trying to influence the officials and their future, why wouldn't they? On the other hand, we've got enough basketball around here that I don't want to work for that coach again anyways.

Scrapper1 Wed Jan 17, 2007 09:22am
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Originally Posted by ChrisSportsFan
. . . but I'm just saying.
I agree that his post wasn't 100% on-topic, but you said that it wasn't at all similar, when it was actually very similar. I'm just saying. :)

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I didn't post the icon as a roll the eyes, as others have done in the past, it was meant to look up at his post.
Well, then I guess I was the one who was missing something. It happens.

tomegun Wed Jan 17, 2007 09:26am
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Originally Posted by REFVA
I get so frustrated and it may not be the same in other areas. The coach holds a lot of power with who he wants to see advance or not and who he or she wants to see for games. That puts a lot of strain on some officials. i did a Varsity girls game last night and the team was from a different region and normally has different association doing their games and he out right accused our crew for cheating and slanting the calls the other way. and he has the power to not request us as a group. How do we as official hold strong if that is allowed.
I think the answer to your question is integrity. You do the same job every game no matter who the coach is or who is watching. It might take longer to get the results you desire, but in the end you will know you did everything above board.
For the first time in my career, I'm in a situation where coaches have a good deal of power. It has been good and bad for me so far. I have picked up some games because officials were taken out. On the flip side, I had one coach rip me a new one in the evaluation. We aren't supposed to know who the coach is (it is on Arbiter), but I know for certain which coach gave me this particular evaluation. Among other things, he said I was trying to give one of his players a technical foul.:confused: I don't think I have ever tried to give someone a technical foul. Either I give a T or I don't, there isn't no "tried" to it. My advice would be to just stay the course and what is meant to happen for you will happen for you.


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