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bogref_jed Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:21pm
24 Sec Violation
 
The 24 seconds sounded while the ball is in the air towards the basket. Ball hit the backboard then enters the basket. Is it a violation (24 sec) or the goal shall count?

JugglingReferee Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:54am
Using any rule set that I know of, the basket counts.

I'm guessing you're talking about the NBA, as it's the only one I know of with a 24-second shot clock.

HawkeyeCubP Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:55am
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Originally Posted by bogref_jed
The 24 seconds sounded while the ball is in the air towards the basket. Ball hit the backboard then enters the basket. Is it a violation (24 sec) or the goal shall count?
Here in California, we utilize a 25-second shot clock (I'm not sure what a 24-second violation is - NBA? I don't know.) The shot clock rules we use are taken from the NCAA. You could find them on the NCAA.org website. The answer to your question in games here is that the try only need be released before the 25-second shot clock expires that either a) hits the rim or b) is successful. Legal goal. No violation. Ignore the horn.

NICK Sat Jan 13, 2007 02:24am
FIBA also uses the 24 second shot clock- cheers

bogref_jed Sat Jan 13, 2007 04:52am
I'm talking about FIBA rules. I asked this question for the sake of my group's discussion. Thanks a lot and it'll be a big help for us.

eg-italy Sat Jan 13, 2007 08:23am
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Originally Posted by bogref_jed
The 24 seconds sounded while the ball is in the air towards the basket. Ball hit the backboard then enters the basket. Is it a violation (24 sec) or the goal shall count?
Under FIBA rules it is a violation if, after the buzz when the try is in flight, either the ball doesn't hit the rim or it doesn't enter the basket. Count the goal.

There is only a catch where the rule is different from NCAA's (apart from the time allowed for the try): if the ball lodges between the rim and the backboard after the signal has sounded, it is a shot clock violation.

Ciao

Dan_ref Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:55am
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Originally Posted by eg-italy
There is only a catch where the rule is different from NCAA's (apart from the time allowed for the try): if the ball lodges between the rim and the backboard after the signal has sounded, it is a shot clock violation.

Ciao
Wow. I didn't know that.

What's the reasoning behind that?

Chess Ref Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:12am
Hawkeye
 
i see that you are in San Jose. Here in the Sac area we use 30 for girls and 35 for boys......

eg-italy Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Wow. I didn't know that.

What's the reasoning behind that?
That's an official interpretation given one year ago and now it is in article 50.2.

They justified it by saying that the ball should either enter the basket or touch the rim remaining live. I don't know why, since article 29.1.1 says
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Whenever a player gains control of a live ball on the playing court, his team must attempt a shot for a field goal within twenty-four seconds. To constitute a shot for a field goal within twenty-four seconds:
  • the ball must leave the player's hands before the twenty-four second device signal sounds, and
  • after the ball has left the player's hands, the ball must touch the ring or enter the basket.
Under this FIBA interpretation, when the ball lodges and the AP arrow favors the shooting team, the clock is not reset. If the buzzer sounds with the try in flight and the ball lodges it is a shot clock violation.

Ciao

HawkeyeCubP Sat Jan 13, 2007 08:56pm
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Originally Posted by Chess Ref
i see that you are in San Jose. Here in the Sac area we use 30 for girls and 35 for boys......
That's what I meant. Same here.

mplagrow Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:35pm
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Originally Posted by Chess Ref
i see that you are in San Jose. Here in the Sac area we use 30 for girls and 35 for boys......
Just out of curiosity, what the heck is the reasoning for the five second differential?

bob jenkins Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:11am
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Originally Posted by mplagrow
Just out of curiosity, what the heck is the reasoning for the five second differential?
They probably follow the college rules.

HawkeyeCubP Sun Jan 14, 2007 02:32pm
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Originally Posted by mplagrow
Just out of curiosity, what the heck is the reasoning for the five second differential?
What Bob said. Same differences as NCAA M & W rules, same rationales.


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