Airball!

mplagrow

Would you warn give a 'T' if A1 shoots, misses everything, and three players from B bench say the infamous, "AAAIIIIRRRRBALLL!"

Just curious. Would it matter to you if it was loud enough for the opponents to hear it or not?

Adam

I might say something to the coach, "Coach, a lot of people might consider that taunting. I'd rather not have to make that decision tonight."

refnrev

Oooh, Snaq, I like that one. I'm hope that I get to use that one before the season's over!

Ref Daddy

Popped first Bench Technical this year along these discussion lines - less than three hours ago!

Close Boys JV game, District rivals.

Guard at top of key puts on a great spin move and gets the defender to turn a 360 and fall over like a rag-doll.

Happened in close proximity the offensive Bench, a bench that just wouldn't let it go with first laughter, then more, then fake laughing and pointing from a seating position.

Taunting is like the US Supream Court judge said about ponography - you know it when you see (or hear) it.

mplagrow

I like that one too, Snaq. Thanks! And in keeping with the mentality on this forum, RefDaddy, I have to tell you. . . .SUPREME

Schmack42

I had a girl in a 7th game do it on a free throw, it was loud enough so the gym could hear it. She got a Technical.

Ignats75

Saturday NIght, boys JV. Visiting Bench in first half (located on front row of bleachers) started yelling and kicking the bleachers. Home1 made the first free throw. I just told the bench to knock it off. I don't want to hear that from the bench. The coach immediately jumped all over them. Handled.

Jurassic Referee

Ignats75 wrote
Saturday NIght, boys JV. Visiting Bench in first half (located on front row of bleachers) started yelling and kicking the bleachers. Home1 made the first free throw. I just told the bench to knock it off. I don't want to hear that from the bench. The coach immediately jumped all over them. Handled.

What would you have done if the free throw was missed?

Ignats75

What would you have done if the free throw was missed?

I already had my fist out signaling disconcertion.

Jurassic Referee

Ignats75 wrote
I already had my fist out signaling disconcertion.

Agree.

Could you issue a technical foul in addition if the players on the bench persisted, and who would the "T" be charged to?

General question, btw, not just to Ignats.....

bigdogrunnin

Nice call Ig. First time, disconcertion. Second time, assess the technical foul for bench decorum/unsporting act . . . indirect to Head Coach.

Jurassic Referee

bigdogrunnin wrote
Nice call Ig. First time, disconcertion. Second time, assess the technical foul for bench decorum/unsporting act . . . indirect to Head Coach.

Wrong.

Second time, call both disconcertion and a team technical for unsporting behavior on the bench. (no indirect to the head coach).

That was really not a fair question. The FED clarified the call in a POE back in the 2001-02 rule book, but never put in a case play or anything that would let people who don't have that book(which would be most officials) know how they wanted it called. The exact wording in the POE was "If persistent or deemed unsporting, the team/player may be penalized with a technical foul."

bigdogrunnin

I have to admit, I was uncertain about the disconcertion AND the technical foul, and I thought about it before posting my previous response. It does make sense though. Why no T on the Coach? Are they not responsible for the behavior of their bench?

bronco

Ignats75 wrote
Saturday NIght, boys JV. Visiting Bench in first half (located on front row of bleachers) started yelling and kicking the bleachers. Home1 made the first free throw. I just told the bench to knock it off. I don't want to hear that from the bench. The coach immediately jumped all over them. Handled.

I like this, ignats.

I was watching a game before ours in a tournament a month ago, and the bench started doing this. The coach turned around and told them to knock it off. After the game, I told the coach that it was great to see him do this, as it teaches the kids sportsmanship. Wouldn't you know, in our game, our bench did the exact same thing, and I was able to turn around and tell our bench to knock it off. 🙄

Also, I hope most people don't have a problem with a T if this happens repeatedly.

Jurassic Referee

bigdogrunnin wrote
Why no T on the Coach? Are they not responsible for the behavior of their bench?

I really don't know. To be consistent, similar to case book play 10.4.1SitD, you would think that the head coach should get an indirect "T" also. It makes sense. They didn't mention an indirect "T" in the POE though, which might have been a mistake. Who knows?

swkansasref33

Jurassic Referee wrote
Wrong.

Second time, call both disconcertion and a team technical for unsporting behavior on the bench. (no indirect to the head coach).

That was really not a fair question. The FED clarified the call in a POE back in the 2001-02 rule book, but never put in a case play or anything that would let people who don't have that book(which would be most officials) know how they wanted it called. The exact wording in the POE was "If persistent or deemed unsporting, the team/player may be penalized with a technical foul."

Wouldn't you charge the T indirectly to the coach? as in the thread I started, I issued a direct T to the player who yelled at me, and I should have also charged it indirectly to the coach. Wouldn't that essentially be the same?

Jurassic Referee

swkansasref33 wrote
Wouldn't you charge the T indirectly to the coach? as in the thread I started, I issued a direct T to the player who yelled at me, and I should have also charged it indirectly to the coach. Wouldn't that essentially be the same?

My last response(2:51pm) answers this question, I believe.

Ignats75

JR,

The problem is that according to the chart in the back of the Rule Book, ALL Unsporting Bench Technicals are Direct to the offender AND Indirect to the HC.

Jurassic Referee

Ignats75 wrote
JR,

The problem is that according to the chart in the back of the Rule Book, ALL Unsporting Bench Technicals are Direct to the offender AND Indirect to the HC.

Um, yeah, I realize that and have already stated such. That doesn't change the fact that the POE doesn't mention that an indirect "T" should also be charged to the head coach. As I said, it seems logical to me too that the head coach should get one. It might have been left out by mistake, but I don't know that for sure and that's why I didn't add it. I'm just reciting what was actually written in the POE.

I'm the messenger, not the rulesmaker. 🙂

bigdogrunnin

Yeah, but around here don't they shoot the messengers?? 😉