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What the heck do you call????
:confused: You make the call (this actually happened in a state tournament game)!
Team A down by 1 point with 5 seconds in the game. Both teams in the bonus. OOB throw end on sideline in A’s backcourt after time out. A1 throws to A2 who is confused and dribbles to the wrong basket and puts up a shot that hits the backboard and then rebounds off of the rim. A2 then jumps up, grabs the rebound and starts to shoot the ball again at the wrong basket. B1, thinking A2 is about to score, jumps up to block the shot and fouls A2 after the ball leaves A2 hands but before the horn goes off to end the game. Then the ball goes through the basket after the horn. Yes, all of this happened within the last 5 seconds of the game. Both coaches, all players and all fans are screaming excitedly. What do you call? :confused: You have just a few seconds to get your crew together and decide. No rule books on the floor. I'll post the crews correct decision next Monday!:D |
Ill take a stab,
Basket counts towords B score, then go and A is shooting for the bounus 1 and 1 or 2 depending on if they were in bounus or double bonus. That is my guess, but i will look it up when i get home. |
It's easy. No need to wait until Monday. Since the last shot was not a legitimate shot attempt (at the wrong basket), the ball becomes dead at the horn. B does not get the points for the shot.
A2 gets bonus free throws at the other end. This year, if one of the officials sees time on the clock at the whistle, then you can count the basket and put that time back on. A2 still gets bonus free throws at the other end. |
It's definitely no basket.
2 things preventing the basket from counting.
This is basic rules knowlege. This was not a shot attempt so the horn and/or foul make the ball dead. |
Doh! I forgot about the foul making the ball dead. So, while you might be able to put time back on, you cannot count this basket. Doh!
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I agree with Snaq & Jurassic.
No basket for Team B - A's shot was not a legitimate shot attempt. Ball is dead immediately after the foul. Team A will shoot 1/1 or 2 depending on the foul count. Clock may be reset if officials had definite knowledge of the exact time when the foul was called. |
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kycat1, ya better bring your A game when you try to get one by this crew!
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All good answers, but none correct yet!:D
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Ok...she dribbled, took a shot at the opponent's basket, then got the rebound. Something in the back of my mind says that's a double dribble.
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Absence of material fact
It's over and back if A caught the ball in their frontcourt, and proceeded to dribble towards B's hoop. But I really hope you just didn't omit that part of the story. Otherwise, I agree with what's previously been posted.
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Sure, you should call the double dribble, but you better do it right away. From the sounds of it, the crew missed the illegal dribble; or at least called it late.
If you miss the double dribble, you need to call the foul. |
In this situation it's quite possible that the crew did not blow a whistle for a foul deeming their was no advantage gained.
Or maybe they ran in the locker and started a fight with officials from a later game over whether or not officials should be allowed to officiate games involving their alma maters. OR WHAT MICK SAID. :D |
So why wait.
Just post what they did now instead of waiting till Monday. I can tell you based on rule that ALL of the above responses are correct.
Since it was not a legitimate attempt, no basket, just a common foul and shooting 1 at the other end if 1/1 or 2 if dbl. Why does the OP think it is so difficult??? You have to shoot the shots because it will have a potential impact on the outcome.... |
Grail, either I missed something or you missed something. Wasn't A the offensive team?
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Okay I couldn’t wait until Monday!:)
Ding, ding, ding!!! All give Frank an ATABOY!:D Yes the lead (or trail since the ball should have been going the other way) called a double dribble since A2 stopped her dribble, threw the ball off of her own backboard and then grabbed the ball which is double dribbling! No foul, no basket. All action after the double dribble was ignored since no flagrant action by B1. Ball OOB to Team B under the basket with about 1 second to go! (Yes, I must admit I missed this too when the ref asked me about this play!) This is a great case play that makes you think though! |
Yes, it should have been a double dribble, but. . . .I don't think I would go back for that call after all the other action occurred. That should have been blown dead there, or not at all.
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If they whistled the play dead when the ball hit the backboard good call, but if they waited until all other action occured it was too late to go back to the double dribble. Here we go again! Putting the ball against the opponents backboard is the start of a dribble.
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9.5 Situation: A1 dribbles and comes to a stop after which he/she throws the ball against the opponent’s backboard or an official and catches the rebound. Ruling: A1 has violated. Throwing the ball against an opponent’s backboard or an official constitutes another dribble, provided A1 is first to touch the ball after it strikes the official or the board. (4-15-2; Fundamental 19) |
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It counts as a dribble if you bounce the ball off the board. Dribble one on the floor, dribble two on the backboard. I don't know how in the world you get a traveling. |
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Good catch. |
From the OP, it sounds possible that even if the ref did call the double dribble as soon as he saw it, all the rest of the action could have happened, it may not have been too late.
Also, the OP doesn't say whether the ball did or didn't go into B's basket before the horn. It says the foul was after the shot before the horn. Because of the double dribble, it doesn't matter. But suppose the double dribble hadn't happend, such as if A3 had grabbed the "rebound" and shot and been fouled by B. Then if the ball went in before the horn, it would count, even though the foul wouldn't be on the shot. How's that for confusing? Okay, now I'm going to go pay my bills, wash my dishes and do my game. have a nice weekend. |
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The foul makes the ball dead, so even if the clock stopped in time, or if the ball went in before the horn, there's no points because of the foul. |
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Thanks for the help. |
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Rule 4 - SECTION 41 SHOOTING, TRY, TAP ART. 2 . . . A try for field goal is an attempt by a player to score two or three points by throwing the ball into a team's own basket. A player is trying for goal when the player has the ball and in the official's judgment is throwing or attempting to throw for goal. It is not essential that the ball leave the player's hand as a foul could prevent release of the ball. While it's true that two points would be scored for B if A1 successfully put the ball into their basket, it is not, by definition, a try. Since it is not a try, several common rules don't apply, like the ball remaining alive after a foul on the shooter, continuous motion, and even a three point goal. That make sense? |
BITS, that helps, thanks.
I'm thinking through why a goal made in the wrong basket from behind the 3 point line wouldn't count for three points, since an illegitimate shot inside the 3 point arc counts for two. Is it because in order for the three to count it has to be a legitimate try? |
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Double dribble?
If A2 dribbled down to the wrong goal to shoot, then shoots at the wrong goal and hits the backboard or rim, then catches the ball, thats a double dribble. This happens before any of the other stuff.
If A2 did not dribble, but took a jump shot at the wrong goal, then caught it, that would be a travel. |
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Say A1 dribbles, then shoots a 3. Ball bounces off rim back to A1, who drives to the hoop and makes a layup? What's the call?:confused: |
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