5 point play in NFHS?
 

On "Making the Call with Ronnie Nunn" the other day, they showed an unsual play from an NBA game and I was wondering what the penalty would be if this happened in a HS game.

A1 was near the low block on the right, driving to the hoop. As he shot, he was fouled by B1. B2 is on the opposite block and runs over to block the shot, grabbing the rim as he goes by it, then blocking the shot.

Would the penalty for this be:
count the basket, due to basket interference for 2 points
one shot for the foul on B1
another 2 foul shots, plus the ball for a technical foul on B2 for grabbing the rim to block the shot?

Why are we counting the basket? You said B2 grabbed the rim and blocked the shot.

NFHS: Personal foul on B1 and Technical foul on B2 for grabbing the rim. A1 gets 2 shots for the personal foul. Any Team A member(s) shoot 2 free throws for the technical foul. Team A gets ball at division line.

NCAA: Personal foul on B1 and Technical foul on B2 for grabbing the rim. Any Team A member gets 2 shots for the technical foul. Then resume from POI, which is A1 on the free throw line (for 2 shots) with members of Team B occupying the lower 2 blocks.

So this is not basket interference or goaltending? The only penalty is the technical foul?

What if the ball were in the cylinder? I didn't really notice, I'll have to check the tape later.

I would think you would have a T on B2 for grabbing the rim. I dont think it would be BI because the ball is not on or in the imaginary cylinder. If the ball is on it was down or at its apex, then you would also have Goaltending.

You CAN have a 5-pt. play though. Anyone know how?

Intentional foul on a three-point successful try. Makes both free throws...5 points.

hmmmmmm let's see here......
 

I am guessing it involves a foul on a made attempt when the penalty for the foul is always at least 2 shots, and the ball nearest the spot of the foul

DING, DING, DING, DING . . . THANK YOU! I kicked this one BAD two years ago. Won't ever miss it again though.

I'm impressed you saw it happen. That's a goofy one. I'm just mad I didn't check this thread and get the answer first.

What do you mean you kicked it bad? To me, kicking it bad would mean not blowing the whistle at all. Just giving one free throw instead of two would be a minor kick; unless the shooting team was down by 5 and time expired while the shot was in the air. :D

I actually had this happen in a college game about 5 years ago. I fully do not expect to ever see it again on a game I am working.

Grabbing the rim while the ball is <b>IN</b> the cylinder has <b>never</b> been BI. The ball has to be on or within the basket when the rim is grasped to have BI.

Again, grabbing the rim while the ball is in the cylinder is not a BI violation under FED and NCAA rules, and never has been.

Thanks. I get confused by the conditions of the four articles of the definition, as some mention the cylinder and some mention the ring, but they're also talking about where the defender's hand is. I also misinterpreted "within the basket" to mean "within the cylinder".

Gotta learn how to read one of these days.

5 point play???? A1 attempts a 3 pointer. While in the act of shooting, gets fouled by B1 and B2 at the same time. Shot goes in. A1 get one free throw for each foul, 2 total. The dreaded multiple foul penalty.

Also, if A1 attempts a 3 pointer, and is fouled by B1 and B2 at the same time, and the try is not successful, A1 gets 4 free throws, as the multiple foul penalty.

Of course, I did forget the 2 free throws on the coach after you attempt to explain this.

While very true by rule, if it happens, you better have a foul on B1 or B2. But I'm sure you know that! ;)

What if he gets fouled by B1, B2 and B3 at the same time? :eek:

Then he has no business shooting, because A2 and A3 are wide open!

I completely agree!! :)

I re-watched the episode, and Ronnie Nunn said the basket counted because the defender was holding on to the rim while blocking the shot, and this is goaltending.

Must be an NBA rule. Doesn't meet the NCAA criteria. (Don't have a FED book on me).

NCAA rule Section 32. Goaltending

Art. 1. Goaltending shall have occurred when a player touches the ball during a field-goal try and each of the following conditions is met:
a. The ball is in its downward flight; and
b. The entire ball is above the level of the ring and has the possibility, while in flight, of entering the basket and is not touching the cylinder.

Art. 2. It is goaltending to touch the ball outside the cylinder during a free throw, regardless of whether the free throw is on its upward or downward flight.

That may be the case in the NBA, but it is certainly NOT true in either the NCAA or NFHS. Goaltending or BI would not be automatic because a player grasped the ring. The call depends upon where the ball is when either it or the basket is contacted.

In other words, these are two totally independent calls.

Jim, either you misunderstood him, or Mr. Nunn misspoke. Touching the rim while blocking a shot is not listed as goaltending or basket interference in the NBA rules (or there's been an unannounced change in the NBA's rules). From NBA.com:

The first provision is slightly different from the high school and college rule; but it doesn't seem to apply to the original scenario.