When can the C make an over and back call?

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by zebraman

I have no problem with you making this call in your primary. The T should have just left it alone.

If I am visualizing this correctly (and there was at least 2 more players on your side of the floor), the lead should have been in the process of rotating to give you help on the ball side anyway (which would have meant that you were becoming the T and your overbearing T should have been becoming the C anyway).

Z, totally agree with what you said. There is a whole lot of ball watching going on. A rotation should have be in the process by the lead which in turn would have prevented this scenerio.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by zebraman

I have no problem with you making this call in your primary. The T should have just left it alone.

If I am visualizing this correctly (and there was at least 2 more players on your side of the floor), the lead should have been in the process of rotating to give you help on the ball side anyway (which would have meant that you were becoming the T and your overbearing T should have been becoming the C anyway).

You beat me to it z-man.

[ocreferee]

Originally Posted by iref4him

I am working on a 3-man crew. I am the C and the ball is in my primary just above the free throw circle extended. A1 is dribbling the ball with lots of pressure from B1. The ball deflects off of B1's foot and then goes off A1's foot into the back court. (THE BALL WAS IN MY PRIMARY). A1 goes to get the ball in the backcourt. I whistle the over and back. The T comes over and explains to me that over and back is his call to make and he did not see the ball go off of A1. He wants to give the ball back to A. I asked him where he was looking? I thought the ball was in my primary. He said it was, but he has the responsibility and it is his primary to call over and back. I said I am not going to argue with you, but the ball was in my primary and it did go off of A1 last. He then invoked the I am the Referee for this game, it's A's ball. I believe C can make an O&B call. Does anyone else?? Or am I mistaken.

(By the way, we gave the ball back to A and discussed the situation at halftime. He wouldn't back down from his position. I had a whole another half to work and did not want any animosity on the floor.)

You made the right call, it was in your primary. I made an over and back call from the same position (C) last night as the ball was quickly passed across the division line and then the player decided to pass it back to the guard in the backcourt (all within 5 feet of my sideline).

We discussed it at halftime and the entire crew was happy with the double whistle we ended up having.

[Mark Dexter]

If you're absolutely sure of it (and you were) and you saw it, call the backcourt violation. As the trail official, I'll take any help I can get from the C with regards to the ball being tipped or not tipped, even if this means the C coming up to me after I call a violation and saying it shouldn't be one.

Also, I agree fully with Rut about the C helping out on a halfcourt line trap on the side opposite from the T. This is a great pre-game topic, as your crew can discuss help situations and your general philosophies about rotation.