partner qualifications

[mikeref]

Several months ago a posted thread dealt with the qualifications of a good partner. Does anyone remember such a thread??
What would be your criteria for judging the acceptability of a partner?? What may be some posible criterea for making a partner unacceptable to you? I believe the last thread listed 10 or so qualifications for being a good partner, both on the floor and off. Any and all thoughts concerning this topic would be greatly appreciated. The divergent points of view offered by my fellow officials always is of interest to me. I thank you ahead of time for your thoughts and suggestions, and hope your upcoming season is your best ever! Looking forward to reading about your ideas!!

[Oz Referee]

A good partner:
Communicates, with me, the players, and the coaches
Doesn't steal my calls, but is there for when I kick them
Enjoys the game
Is fit enough to keep up with the play
Knows the rules
Acts professionally and is punctual
Is willing to listen to my opinion
Remembers that the game is there for the players - not us
Doesn't showboat


I think that pretty much covers it.

[Tim Roden]

Good partner? (he means either he or she)
1. Has enough hussel to keep up with the game.
2. He knows the few rules I don't remember.
3. Always in good position.
4. Can communicate with the coaches.
5. Can communicate with all partner(s).
6. Can communicate with the table.
7. Doesn't have an ego.
8. He is working the game he wants to work. IOW, Not whining about not getting the 5A boys varsity game across town that will have 2000 in attendence.
9. Sees my calls and makes similar calls on his end of the floor.
10. Let's me know when a coach or player is causing trouble.
11. After the game gives me something I can chew on to improve my game.
12. Accepts criticsm gracefully and uses it to get better.
13. Professional and Accountable(on time, writes his own reports).
14. Accepts the style of music I play in the car on the way home.

[Edited by Tim Roden on Oct 20th, 2001 at 03:18 PM]

[Hartwig2]

I believe a good partner

1. Has good morals on and off the court
2. Has good judgement even when I may not
3. Is big enough to admit when a mistake has been made
4. Will stand up and tell me when I make one
5. Responsible
6. Knows the rules and can apply them in a game
7. Has outstanding communication with everyone (me, coaches, players, fans, ads, ect...)
8. Trustworthy
9. Professional attitude
9. Physically fit
10. Approachable
11. most importantly, has FUN! If you have a good partner that gets enjoyment out of the game, you will also have fun. This type of athmosphere makes the game more enjoyable for everyone involved.


A bad partner

1. Is not punctual
2. Has the attitude that he/she is the "main attraction"
3. Will not admit/believe that he/she is capable of making a mistake
4. Tells everyone what they want to hear (2-faced)
5. Always looks out for themselves, instead of others
6. Doesn't know the rules and has no desire to
7. Isn't professional, this can go to many levels. Breeches contracts, lies, doesn't conduct themselves the way they should on and off the court, does things that "morally" aren't correct
8. Is no fun to be around

Sorry for the long post, my thoughts and thoughts from some other people I have talked to about this issue, I took part in the other thread but changed my handle due to technical difficulties. good luck in your search, and remember, a partner isn't for life.

[RecRef]

Hartwig2 said: I believe a good partner
1. Has good morals on and off the court

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Maybe it is my generation, college class of Â’71, but I would not partner with anyone who has a problem with someoneÂ’s behavior off of the court.

[mick]

Originally posted by RecRef
Hartwig2 said: I believe a good partner
1. Has good morals on and off the court

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Maybe it is my generation, college class of Â’71, but I would not partner with anyone who has a problem with someoneÂ’s behavior off of the court.

C'mon RecRef,
If you don't care what people think, then why should you care what people think?
mick
Class of '70, '71

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by RecRef
Maybe it is my generation, college class of Â’71, but I would not partner with anyone who has a problem with someoneÂ’s behavior off of the court.

To each his own. But let me throw a few things at you. Are you saying that you wouldn't mind working with someone who...

...is a known alcoholic?

...is known to not re-pay debts to friends?

...is known to write bad checks to local businesses?

...is known to cheat business associates and customers?

...is known to abuse his wife and/or children?

Maybe such things aren't important to you. But I can tell you this. A person who has low morals and poor character, isn't suddenly reborn when he steps on the basketball floor. He's the same person. Do I want to walk on the floor with a person that I have no respect for? Absolutely not. My partners reflect on me and I reflect on them.

Character is who we are when we're alone.

[RecRef]

Being new I don't want to get off on the wrong foot. I live by a code of ethics that contains

Matthew 7:1 - “Judge not, that ye be not judged.”

John 8:1 - "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."

John 1:8 - If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.”

It is my weakness to be uncomfortable around those who judge and I will have to answer to my God for that.

I minister to the evils mentioned, is that not better than casting sinners out?

As soon as I can get my regular E-Mail working here I will be happy to take this offline.

Thank You....

[Hartwig2]

I agree w/ you BktBallRef, you have a good perspective on this and I feel the same way. RecRef, what do you do for a living?

[williebfree]

Since that posting, (Posed as a question about finding a regular partner) I have found that having a reguler partner is a difficult thing. Unless you are working at the varsity level. Many times you get called to fill a single opening and that "breaks apart" the partners. My partner and I work as many dates as we can, but it is not the majority of our games.

On the other side of the issue.... Not "locking into a regular partner" gives you variety to learn other officiating styles.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
[/B]

To each his own. But let me throw a few things at you. Are you saying that you wouldn't mind working with someone who...

...is a known alcoholic?

...is known to not re-pay debts to friends?

...is known to write bad checks to local businesses?

...is known to cheat business associates and customers?

...is known to abuse his wife and/or children?

Maybe such things aren't important to you. But I can tell you this. A person who has low morals and poor character, isn't suddenly reborn when he steps on the basketball floor. He's the same person. Do I want to walk on the floor with a person that I have no respect for? Absolutely not. My partners reflect on me and I reflect on them.

Character is who we are when we're alone. [/B][/QUOTE]

All these things mentioned by you TH, might not even be known by you as a fellow official. You might now the alcholic part, but only if they are so far gone that it is obvious to everyone. I have been around people that you would call an alcoholic, and to most people you would never even know that they have that kind of problem. They realize how to hide it and live normal lives. And unless you go home with them on a regular basis, you would almost never know that they have questionable character based on that issue alone. And unless you know the businesses or partners personally, you might not even realize that they are a crook in other aspects of lives.

I am a single man with no children, and have dated several women over the past few years. Are you going to judge me as a partner because I might live what to some would be an immoral lifestyle? I agree, morals are important, but I am not trying to get married to my partners, I only have to work with them for a single night. And if I work with someone of questionable character, I am sure that the the assignor will know better. And if they do not, they might find out.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
Are you saying that you wouldn't mind working with someone who...

...is a known alcoholic?

...is known to not re-pay debts to friends?

...is known to write bad checks to local businesses?

...is known to cheat business associates and customers?

...is known to abuse his wife and/or children?

Originally posted by JRutledge
All these things mentioned by you TH, might not even be known by you as a fellow official. [/B]

Jeff, do me a favor and re-read what I wrote. If every instance that I cited, I said if it is known. I can't worry about things that I don't know about. But I can damn sure concern myself with the things that I do know.

As I said, character is what you are when you're alone.

[JRutledge]

If you know those things that can be great, but it should not change much for that one game if you know that or do not know that. That was my point. I realize that if you know these things can affect how you feel about your partner, but knowing these things should not affect how you deal with that individual for those few minutes that you work together. He/she is your only friend or one of two friends that night.

Peace

[Tim Roden]

As far as the know situation. I may work with him but only after he has answered for his actions before the board. If it doesn't interfere with working basketball then I'll work with him. No I am not going to ride with him out of town but I'll go do that boys freshman game locally. If he is really doing all the things you mentioned below, I would think that he won't be around basketball for long either.

Someone else mentioned verses having to do with forgiveness. If God has forgiven you, then I can forgive you. I still don't want you to be the chapter president. In this case we are not trying to kill the person as they were in John when it comes to throwing the first stone. We want people of character officiating a sport where character is expected from people in the stripped shirt.

[Hartwig2]

Mike, i believe that the best advice that I can give you is to trust your partner or whoever you are working with, things will quickly fall apart if you don't, good luck i hope all turns out well for you