Coach Ejected!
 

Team B Head coach was ejected tonight in a JV game.

Question is: Does the assistant LOSE the coaching box too?

Since when is there an assistant's coaching box?

There is no assitant coaching box. The asst took over for the ejected coach.

Does the assistant now have the right to use the box after the HC was ejected?

YES! The assistant coach is restricted to his/her seat.

Ok! thanks

Absolutely not. The assistant furthermore gets less latitude to speak than the coach had in the first place. IMHO, of course.

The assistant is now the head coach for the remainder of the game and is treated as such. He is limited to his seat seeing that a tech has been called that is directly attributed to the head coach. He however does not have a tech contributed to him for disqualification purposes. He still has two techs before he has to hit the road

The assistant coach becomes the head coach, and should receive the exact same latitude to speak as was previously granted to the former head coach. Iow, the assistant comes in with a clean slate, and his actions will determine your reactions. The only difference is the loss of coaching box privileges.

I'm not sure that I believe in the promotion of the asst coach to head coach for the remainder of the game. Perhaps the team is now simply without a head coach and is being run by the asst coach. Of course, this creates some difficulties.
1. Can anyone on the bench request a time-out?
2. Who would be charged with the direct technical foul if a DQ'd player is not replaced in 30 seconds?
3. If a DQ'd player returns to the game and participates, who would be charged with the technical foul?

Just a different perspective.

Those questions are exactly why the asst coach becomes the head coach for the remainder of the game. Someone has to be in charge of the squad, and the asst now assumes those duties.

JV Coaching Box?
 

Just a question. Since when does a sub-varsity coach even have a coaching box.
In Wisconsin only varsity coaches have that priviledge. Once it's lost by the head coach, if he is ejected his replacement doesn't have the box.

1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.

It's a state option as described in the rule book. As written by the NFHS, the state option allows all head coaches have coaching box privileges, no matter the level of play. Evidently, Wisconsin does their own thing, which is their choice.

1)No
2) Nobody.
3) Nobody.

You left out that correctable or timing/scoring errors could now <b>never</b> be appealed either also.

If there's no head coach, then <b>obviously</b> none of the rules pertaining to head coaches apply any longer.

Happy now?:)

PS- you gotta know that I was kidding, folks, even though Nevada wasn't.

1.) In the absence of no coach and no assistant coach, YES!
2.) I would just go to the bench and just get someone to replace him. However, if you go into the 30 second to replace a disqualified player (for fouling out) routine and you start the timeout clock, and we reach the end of this time period. You could enforce a technical to the bench. 2 shots and the ball back to the offended team.
3.) Charge the technical to the bench and eject the player. Player must now leave the playing area.

Questions 2 and 3 are good questions. In HS, these technicals are also team fouls to count towards the bonus. In college, this in an indirect technical to the bench, does not count towards the bonus. It gets even more interesting when you consider the captain of the team and this person has not been disqualified. Does he/she now assume the role of the assistant coach? I would say not but not sure what the rules say. This person can certainly make decisions like who goes into the game following a disqualification, calling timeouts, addressing correctable error issues, etc.

For crying out loud. Only the head coach may request a timeout from the bench. (rule 5-8-3) You can't just make up the rules.
Besides that, if you run out of coaches, the game is over.

Unless we're talking rec ball.

So you're a coach during this game, too? You can't just make up the rules.
Rule reference? Never, never, never, send a player out of the gym without adult supervision. In HS ball, an ejected player does not have to leave the court unless you think he's a danger to the game.

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Rules reference, please.


Rules reference, please.

Rules reference, please (on other than the requesting a TO -- which any player can do).

I just wanted to see the website from which you got your "WTF" image.

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Please note for the record that Old School is just agreeing with NevadaRef.

Couldn't help it. Bad Woddy. Bad,bad Woddy!:D

Okay, now that you have shown me that I was wrong or no rule supports my actions. Then tell us what the correct action is by the rule? Now please tell me where does it state the game is over if there is no coach? I know you just love to point out when I'm wrong. I also know it makes your day, hence, that's why I do it. Us old guys need to swing that hammer down sometimes so I give you the opportuntity to take it out on me. One day you will thank me for this.

Peace

JMO lives!!

My state has the same coaching box at all levels. What you are describing is about Wisconsin, not anywhere else unless they have a similar rule.

Peace

I'll tell you what. If by the time I get home tonight no one has posted the reference for this, I'll do it. In the mean time, feel free to actually look it up on your own.
By rule, most would grant the Asst. Coach the HC's previous duties (requesting TO, requesting that a correctable error be corrected, responsibility for the bench and the potential indirect Ts that go with it, etc.). Some may say that no one gets to call a TO from the bench, etc., but I can't for the life of me figure out why. ;)

Okay, I said I'd get back on this. I looked in the NFHS rule book and couldn't find it. However, it is in the CHSAA directives. "A game shall be forfeited if there is not a certified person available to serve as coach."

I'd be willing to bet money that whatever state you claim to ref in has the same regulations for high school sports.

Snaqs - I was curious about this too, and I can't find anything either. Any officials out here in sunny California know of any CIF (or CCS) regulations regarding presence of coaches, etc.? I know that it mandates teams be coached by people who meet the requirements of being a "coach" in something called Title V, but I can't find Title V (or even the larger body of work that Title V is a part of). I've searched the bylaws and constitution of the CIF (our state high school association governing athletics), but can't find a darned thing. I'd like to know this, too.

Not in the rulebook, hmm.... I bet you think I didn't know that.

Actually what I suggested I would do is in the rulebook. Rule 2-3: Officials shall make decisions on any points not specially covered in the rulebook. DA! DA!

Logically speaking, if there is a designated captain for the team, which I always mark in the book when I'm the R for the game. It is not totally out of reach (at least in my opinion it's not) to go to this person (in the absence of a HC and AC) and request certain administrative things from him, like replacing a person who has foul out. I have seen captains do this in some of my pre-season games, send in subs, request players on the floor to run certain plays, etc. I would also not access this person a direct or indirect technical for something that would have gone to the head coach. It will just be a bench technical from here on out. Just put this in the report after the game, which you know you're going to have to do.

Um, well, yeah. On every post that you make.:)

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Don't get too excited.

Ooh, the Magic Rule. Try pulling this out of your azz during a sanctioned high school game, just once. I dare you.

As I told you, in both states I've reffed, this is a state rule. So, it is specifically covered. I would be willing to bet money that it's the same in every state, with minor alterations (such as whether the replacement adult had to be a certified coach, teacher, or just a kind parent with a pulse).
Not really.

If you're going to disregard state rules that don't allow the game to continue when one team doesn't have a coach; why are you going to report the ejections? Nothing in the rules says you're supposed to.

I'd suggest that you contact the State (VA?) Association and see how to handle it in your state.

I don't disregard anything. I merely make a decision and move on, and sometimes, I make a mistake, sometimes, I get it wrong. Not the end of the world to me. I just move on and try not to make that same mistake again.

Referee's don't have to be perfect, they just have to be consistent!

Please don't put this dumba** in VA. We have our share of poor officials, but nothing as bad as him/her.

Relax.:D

No matter what state he's in(probably the state of confusion), he's certainly not representative of the officials in that state.

In order to learn from a mistake, you have to admit it was a mistake. You're not doing that here; you're still justifying using 2-3 to continue a game that states generally say must be ended by forfeit. Unless you can tell me your state doens't require the forfeit here, you are disregarding the rules.

You've previously mentioned bending the rules to avoid any chance at a lawsuit. You want to see a lawsuit, try finishing a game without a coach and having a kid get hurt. Who's going to come out on the court to tend to him, the captain?

It's not about being "afraid to be an official." It's about taking the time to know the basic rules, for crying out loud.

The trainer. The lawyer will sue the coach for getting tossed and not being there to coach his kid. Then the lawyer can sue the A/D for hiring an incompetent staff where all of them got ejected, or for not having an assistant present at the game. Then if they still want to sue, they can sue the school for not making sure an adult was present to monitor the players. Last, they can come after me, but that won't get them very far because I'm an independent contractor and I got no money.

The only reason I'm even responding to you is to make sure that newer officials don't think they can actually follow your inane advice.
The trainer? You mean the kid that tapes ankles and fills the water cups? No chance in my game. If the trainer is an adult, then he's probably already coaching the team at this point. Fine with me, you've got an adult who's likely certified to finish the game as coach.

Now we all KNOW without any further cavil, that you do not live in the real world. A kid gets hurt in a game and the parents are going to sue the coach for being ejected?!?! You really need to start reading the Law Times, or Sports Law Updates.

I beg all officials everywhere to ignore this advice that s/he's giving. To be covered for the lawsuit possibilities you need to carry liability insurance for every game you work, and you need to follow their guidelines for avoiding problems. Do not, I repeat, do not just "wing it". Do not rely on common sense (since). It simply doesn't carry enough weight in court.