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FishinRef Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:24am

A good rules question.......
 
:rolleyes: A fellow official asked me this question. Just for fun, answer the question just as it would happen in the game.......in other words don’t check your rulebook first. Jump ball to start the game. A1 and B1 jump and simultaneously tip the ball straight up. (very high tip) Both jumpers return to the floor. B1 leaves the center circle while A1 jumps and tips the ball again. B1 has both feet outside the center circle and catches the ball after the second tip. Legal or not?

RookieDude Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:30am

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Originally Posted by FishinRef
:rolleyes: A fellow official asked me this question. Just for fun, answer the question just as it would happen in the game.......in other words don’t check your rulebook first. Jump ball to start the game. A1 and B1 jump and simultaneously tip the ball straight up. (very high tip) Both jumpers return to the floor. B1 leaves the center circle while A1 jumps and tips the ball again. B1 has both feet outside the center circle and catches the ball after the second tip. Legal or not?

Did the jump ball end?.....;)

FishinRef Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:41am

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RookieDude
Did the jump ball end?.....
The play actually happened just as described. I admit that I answered the question incorrectly. It is an interesting play that I learned from, and I am just asking the question. If you see the play as it is described is it legal.....

Adam Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:46am

No, the jump ball has not ended. violation on the jumper who caught the tip.

BktBallRef Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:57am

A jumper may not catch the ball until a non-jumper touches it, until it touches the floor, or for some strange reason it touches the backboard/rim.

Mark Padgett Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:00pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
or for some strange reason it touches the backboard/rim.

This is a holdover from when we had true jump balls instead of the AP. You could have a jump in the free throw circle. In some instances, the ball would hit the rim or backboard.

At least that's what I remember from when I played with Dr. Naismith. :o

BktBallRef Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:01pm

That's the only thing I could think of as well.

BEAREF Thu Jan 04, 2007 03:12pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
A jumper may not catch the ball until a non-jumper touches it, until it touches the floor, or for some strange reason it touches the backboard/rim.

Just curious...when does a jumper become a non-jumper?

FishinRef Thu Jan 04, 2007 03:33pm

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BktBallRef
A jumper may not catch the ball until a non-jumper touches it, until it touches the floor, or for some strange reason it touches the backboard/rim.
You are correct. Are you quoting the rule book or did you know this rule by heart? (just curious):rolleyes: :rolleyes:

What if the A1 fumbles the SECOND tap from one hand to another prior to B1 receiving the ball outside the circle?:D :D

BktBallRef Thu Jan 04, 2007 03:38pm

Being outside the circle has nothing to do with it. A jumper can tap the ball twice. That is all he can do until the ball touches the floor, a non-jumper or the backboard/rim. Makes no difference where he's standing.

And yes, I knew that.

BktBallRef Thu Jan 04, 2007 03:39pm

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Originally Posted by BEAREF
Just curious...when does a jumper become a non-jumper?

After the jump ball ends.

When is that?

When the ball touches the floor, a non-jumper or the backboard/rim.

FishinRef Thu Jan 04, 2007 03:48pm

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BktBallRef
Being outside the circle has nothing to do with it. A jumper can tap the ball twice. That is all he can do until the ball touches the floor, a non-jumper or the backboard/rim. Makes no difference where he's standing.

And yes, I knew that.
Good job and good explaination. :D

HawkeyeCubP Thu Jan 04, 2007 04:23pm

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Originally Posted by FishinRef
What if the A1 fumbles the SECOND tap from one hand to another prior to B1 receiving the ball outside the circle?:D :D

Violation on the 3rd contact by A1.

Indianaref Thu Jan 04, 2007 04:59pm

My first thought is when A1 touches the ball for a second time without it first touching a nonjumper, floor, a basket or backboard-it is a violation on A1. Ball awarded to team B for throw in.

BktBallRef Thu Jan 04, 2007 05:03pm

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Originally Posted by Indianaref
My first thought is when A1 touches the ball for a second time without it first touching a nonjumper, floor, a basket or backboard-it is a violation on A1. Ball awarded to team B for throw in.

No. It's not a violation unless he catches the ball or taps it three times. Tapping the ball twice is not illegal.

HawkeyeCubP Thu Jan 04, 2007 05:13pm

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Originally Posted by Indianaref
My first thought is when A1 touches the ball for a second time without it first touching a nonjumper, floor, a basket or backboard-it is a violation on A1. Ball awarded to team B for throw in.

What BBR said; and rule reference:

6-3-7 Neither jumper shall:
a. Touch the tossed ball before it reaches its highest point.
b. Leave the center restraining circle until the ball has been touched.
c. Catch the jump ball.
d. Touch the ball more than twice.
The jump ball and these restrictions end when the touched ball contacts one of the eight nonjumpers, the floor, a basket or backboard.


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