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TimTaylor Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:22am
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Originally Posted by Old School
This is not a sad commentary. You are sad having such a narrow minded view of the world and reality. Here's the deal for you that are still living out of the past. When you live in a school system and you pay taxes in that school system. You pay taxes for an athletic program which must represent the people that live in that area. However, some schools particularly in the metropolitan areas have circumvented the process and come up with this new term called the open enrollment process where any student from any local district can go to any high school they choice. This has created 2 problems. #1.)Increase the need for schools to win. #2.) Students from out of the district can transfer in and dominate playing time. That is play in districts where the tax dollars can come from a completely different group of people that pay the taxes for that area. Hence, the lawsuit. I think we should pay very close attention to this lawsuit. I think it is a legitimate lawsuit. However, some of these high schools have ties to DI colleges which makes this an even bigger deal.
Bovine excrement!

rainmaker Wed Jan 03, 2007 01:36am
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Originally Posted by TimTaylor
Bovine excrement!
Tim, you are always so timid! You really need to learn to be more expressive, tell us how you really feel...:D

Adam Wed Jan 03, 2007 02:24am
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Originally Posted by Old School
This is not a sad commentary. You are sad having such a narrow minded view of the world and reality. Here's the deal for you that are still living out of the past. When you live in a school system and you pay taxes in that school system. You pay taxes for an athletic program which must represent the people that live in that area. However, some schools particularly in the metropolitan areas have circumvented the process and come up with this new term called the open enrollment process where any student from any local district can go to any high school they choice. This has created 2 problems. #1.)Increase the need for schools to win. #2.) Students from out of the district can transfer in and dominate playing time. That is play in districts where the tax dollars can come from a completely different group of people that pay the taxes for that area. Hence, the lawsuit. I think we should pay very close attention to this lawsuit. I think it is a legitimate lawsuit. However, some of these high schools have ties to DI colleges which makes this an even bigger deal.
What orifice do you pull this stuff out of? Open enrollment isn't about sports, you moron. Sure, there are some side affects that involve sports, but I'm sure the idea competing academically hasn't occurred to you. Yes, it is a sad commentary that parents think their little Johnny deserves to play more. It can't be that Johnny didn't practice enough during the off season, it's got to be the coach's fault for not recognizing his enormous talent.

Nevadaref Wed Jan 03, 2007 03:09am
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Originally Posted by Old School
Blah, blah,...When you live in a school system and you pay taxes in that school system. You pay taxes for an athletic program which must represent the people that live in that area. Blah, blah, blah...
Sorry, but you don't know squat about the law. The US Supreme Court has ruled that the contribution of any taxpayer to the government treasury is de minimus and does not grant standing to sue that body no matter how that money is spent.

SMEngmann Wed Jan 03, 2007 06:27am
I don't know of any taxpayer that "pays for the right to have an athletic program represent them." That whole argument is absurd, like this lawsuit. Even if there are bigger issues at play, which I'm not admitting, they don't go to the heart of the lawsuit which is that unhappy parents have gone to court to try to get a coach fired over the way he coaches. That is the heart of the matter and it is unfortunately representative of our litigious, me-first society. These parents make me sick.

BayStateRef Wed Jan 03, 2007 08:10am
The court jurisdiction is an administrative appeal brought by the parents of the school board's decision to re-hire the coach.

From the Associatied Press:
Burt Rogness, school board president, testified that he and the board initially followed the recommendation of the parents and administration to let Hofer's contract expire. But Hofer got a hearing with the board, when then reversed itself and decided to renew his contract.

Hofer is a tenured teacher, and his manner of coaching is not cause enough to revoke his contract, the board reasoned. There were no grounds to do so, Rogness said.

That prompted the administrative appeal by Trooien and the parents.

mbyron Wed Jan 03, 2007 08:20am
That makes sense. Well, at some level.

Gotta love boards of ed.

Scrapper1 Wed Jan 03, 2007 08:42am
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Originally Posted by Tim
Bovine excrement!
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
What orifice do you pull this stuff out of?
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Sorry, but you don't know squat about the law.
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Originally Posted by SMEngamm
That whole argument is absurd
Two words, guys: Ignore. List.

Ignats75 Wed Jan 03, 2007 08:49am
Hmmmmm
 
He's :
  • A Varsity Official:p
  • A College Official:p
  • A Professional Official:rolleyes:
  • A Supreme Court Judge:eek:

I wonder if he can forgive me my sins too.:D

I remember when my eldest daughter was playing basketball. As an officer of the Booster Club, I attended a seminar on High School Athletics. A State Supreme Court case (I forget which state) was cited that said (I paraphrase) membership in a high school athletic team is a privilege, not a right.

Who is the coach of this team, Norman Dale?
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/imag...sintroteam.JPG

mplagrow Wed Jan 03, 2007 09:18am
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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
Two words, guys: Ignore. List.
Awwww, what fun is that? It's like a really bad B-movie. You don't WANT to watch any longer, but sheer morbid curiosity as to what stupid thing will happen next keeps you hooked! All these guys that keep bad-mouthing Old School are addicted to his intelligent commentary. They NEED it! :cool:

Old School Wed Jan 03, 2007 09:33am
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
What orifice do you pull this stuff out of? Open enrollment isn't about sports, you moron. Sure, there are some side affects that involve sports, but I'm sure the idea competing academically hasn't occurred to you. Yes, it is a sad commentary that parents think their little Johnny deserves to play more. It can't be that Johnny didn't practice enough during the off season, it's got to be the coach's fault for not recognizing his enormous talent.
I did not say I was against open enrollment. I am saying it is being abused in sports, specifically for sport reasons. When you live and pay taxes in a community, and you go to a community event such as basketball or football game, etc. Some parents may like to see students from that community playing in the game. When the team consists mostly of players from a different community, which also dominates playing time. Makes for a good argument to me. I don't have an interest either way but I am curious to see how it turns out. Who wins this case determines the direction the school system/sporting programs will go. Remember, this is not college where the school can offer scholarships or the student pays tuition to attend. This is high school where the dollars to pay the coaches salary, play for the gym to be built, comes mostly from the community.

Ignats75 Wed Jan 03, 2007 09:39am
In Ohio, out of district students attending under open enrollment, must pay tuition equal to the tax receipts per student. There have been allegations (never proven) that some schools arrange for these payments to be made for the student's families. (no names please)

Every year, there are news stories of parents from the inner city being prosecuted for sending their kids to other schools without paying this tuition.

tomegun Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:12am
I think Old School should be given credit for continuing to post when most people know he is full of it. Of course I'm not going to give him that credit, but I'm just saying. :D

refnrev Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:51am
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Originally Posted by Old School
This is not a sad commentary. You are sad having such a narrow minded view of the world and reality. Here's the deal for you that are still living out of the past. When you live in a school system and you pay taxes in that school system. You pay taxes for an athletic program which must represent the people that live in that area. However, some schools particularly in the metropolitan areas have circumvented the process and come up with this new term called the open enrollment process where any student from any local district can go to any high school they choice. This has created 2 problems. #1.)Increase the need for schools to win. #2.) Students from out of the district can transfer in and dominate playing time. That is play in districts where the tax dollars can come from a completely different group of people that pay the taxes for that area. Hence, the lawsuit. I think we should pay very close attention to this lawsuit. I think it is a legitimate lawsuit. However, some of these high schools have ties to DI colleges which makes this an even bigger deal.
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1. This post makes just about as much sense as the Jerry Springer Show and should be categorized as such.
2. This post is as ridiculous as any post you have entered to date.... which is actually saying quite a bit.
3. Let me see, which metropolitan area is located in South Dakota and which school has close ties to D-1 programs?
4. Just because I pay taxes doesn't mean that little Johny gets to play on the HS team. Little Johnny might be lousy and the D-1 and NBA scouts are not going to be at every game waiting to offer him a full riode in college then after two years make him a millionaire so he can support me in my old age.
5. Antipsychotics are good for some parents when it comes to their kid and sports!
6. As for living in the past, or wherever it is that you beamed down from, you picked your name,OS, not us.

Adam Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:28am
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Originally Posted by tomegun
I think Old School should be given credit for continuing to post when most people know he is full of it. Of course I'm not going to give him that credit, but I'm just saying. :D
Perseverance in the pursuit of lunacy is no virtue.


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