OB situation

[sj]

Ball is going out of bounds after being last touched by A1. A2 is running towards the sideline and has a good chance of saving it. But then bench sitter B6 gets up off his rear and definitively reaches out and grabs the ball as it is crossing over the OB line.

Ruling?

[Adam]

T on B6. He made it easy by standing up. Don't forget to give the coach two things; his indirect technical foul and his seatbelt.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

T on B6. He made it easy by standing up. Don't forget to give the coach two things; his indirect technical foul and his seatbelt.

Yup. This is a T. It's a judgment call by the official. If there is even a remote chance that A2 can make a bonafied play on the ball, T on B6. Otherwise, dismiss it as a nice try by A2, and move on with a B throw-in.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by sj

Ball is going out of bounds after being last touched by A1. A2 is running towards the sideline and has a good chance of saving it. But then the head coach of team B gets up off his rear and definitively reaches out and grabs the ball as it is just over the OOB line.

Ruling?

Changed it to the head coach.....

Yo, Jimgolf......

Is this an OOB violation by A1 also, similar to the logic used by you in the other thread? Team B's ball?

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Changed it to the head coach.....

Yo, Jimgolf......

Is this an OOB violation by A1 also, similar to the logic used by you in the other thread? Team B's ball?

The difference is whether this is inadvertant or deliberate, in this case it is established that the touch was deliberate.

There is no need to worry about whether the player was standing or not, this is blatant unsportsmanlike conduct.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

The difference is whether this is inadvertant or deliberate, in this case it is established that the touch was deliberate.

There is no need to worry about whether the player was standing or not, this is blatant unsportsmanlike conduct.

I didn't say anything about a player standing. I asked what you would do if the head coach touched the ball while the head coach was legally standing in his coaching box. In the other thread, you said that you would give the other team the ball under similar circumstances(fan instead of coach). Would you do the same here? And if not, please cite a rule why you wouldn't.

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I didn't say anything about a player standing. I asked what you would do if the head coach touched the ball while the head coach was legally standing in his coaching box. In the other thread, you said that you would give the other team the ball under similar circumstances(fan instead of coach). Would you do the same here? And if not, please cite a rule why you wouldn't.

You're saying the coach deliberately reaches out and touches the ball? This is unsporting conduct and 2-8-1 applies. If you mean the ball inadvertantly touches the coach, then it is out of bounds off of A1. Even if it's his own coach or fan or cheerleader or mascot or mother.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

You're saying the coach deliberately reaches out and touches the ball? This is unsporting conduct and 2-8-1 applies. If you mean the ball inadvertantly touches the coach, then it is out of bounds off of A1. Even if it's his own coach or fan or cheerleader or mascot or mother.

Well, that doesn't surprise me. You'd give it to the other team even though the ball could have been saved if the coach wasn't in the way. At least, you're consistent.

We still disagree.

In the other thread, why would you give it to the other team instead of calling a technical foul on the fan for being on the floor and interfering with the play, deliberately or not? Doesn't rule 2-8-1 that you cited above specifically refer to a "team follower" also?

[sj]

I agree with the T. I guess it would be base on entering the court without permission....10-4-2... Or would you say it's a T coming under the, "This includes, but is not limited to, acts or conduct" rule in 10-4-1...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rule Book

10-4-4 Bench personnel shall not...Stand in the team bench area while the clock is running or is stopped, and must remain seated, except...

Grabbing a ball does not get listed as one of the approved exceptions. Like I said, B6 makes it easy by getting off the bench to do it.
If it's the head coach, you need to make sure it was deliberate, otherwise you just have OOB on A, B's ball.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by sj

Ball is going out of bounds after being last touched by A1. A2 is running towards the sideline and has a good chance of saving it. But then bench sitter B6 gets up off his rear and definitively reaches out and grabs the ball as it is crossing over the OB line.

Ruling?

Give the ball back to Team A and let the coach know that in your opinion, A2 had a change to get the ball. I probably wouldnt T up anyone. But, all judgement and if I was there on the floor, then I may have done otherwise.