TO before throw-in violation?

[Man In Blue]

The reason it is a big deal is that the other team has been playing great defense and you just bailed out the offense.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Man In Blue

The reason it is a big deal is that the other team has been playing great defense and you just bailed out the offense.

How so if the offense made a legitimate and legal timeout request?

[OHBBREF]

1) Rich - quit watching your partner's count and counting with him - pay attention to the holding goiing on in the corner.

2) You have to talk this over with your partner, before you do anything else, If you go to your partner and say I had a coaches request for time out before you blew the violation - then it is up to your partner to decide what to do.
you are not going to make someone happy but get the call right.

3) You are not bailing out the offence in this situation - yes the defense did a fine job but only for 4.5 seconds when the time out was called legitimately by the coach of the offense. That is a reward to the defence also they forced the coach to burn a time out.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

1) Rich - quit watching your partner's count and counting with him - pay attention to the holding goiing on in the corner.

2) You have to talk this over with your partner, before you do anything else, If you go to your partner and say I had a coaches request for time out before you blew the violation - then it is up to your partner to decide what to do.
you are not going to make someone happy but get the call right.

3) You are not bailing out the offence in this situation - yes the defense did a fine job but only for 4.5 seconds when the time out was called legitimately by the coach of the offense. That is a reward to the defence also they forced the coach to burn a time out.

I can't believe you're serious, but I'll act like you are and impart some "wisdom" right back at you.

It's called peripheral vision and court awareness. I know where my partner's count is without staring at his arm. I'm aware of subs coming to the table without waiting for a horn, too. I know when we're in the bonus and under a minute in the period without staring at the scoreboard, too.

It's not up to the partner. The timeout takes priority. I'm already reporting the timeout to the table. And I'd expect my partner to do the same if he was the one with the timeout.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

I can't believe you're serious, but I'll act like you are and impart some "wisdom" right back at you.

I left out the Smile -
Yes even without peripherial vision you better have an idea of how close your partner is to five seconds.

[mplagrow]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

It's called peripheral vision and court awareness. I know where my partner's count is without staring at his arm.

Really? I almost never know where my partner's count is. Of all the little things that I have to keep track of on the court, that is not one of them. I trust him to count to 5 or 10 without my backup.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Man In Blue

The reason it is a big deal is that the other team has been playing great defense and you just bailed out the offense.

Teams get 5 timeouts. If they burn one over one possession, it is a pretty good tradeoff for the defense. And they can play good defense again.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Man In Blue

The reason it is a big deal is that the other team has been playing great defense and you just bailed out the offense.

When they make a rule that says the coach can't request TO during a count, then I'll concern myself with your issue.

Until then, the coach has a perfectly legal right to burn a TO if he so chooses. And if he does it before my partner reaches the end of his count, then he's the one who has made a great play.

Like it or not, that is the rule.