Sorry, no. The whistle has nothing to do with whether a timeout is granted or not.

That's the key right there. If there's any doubt, you have to decide between yourselves what happened first-- the <b>violation</b> or the time-out <b>request</b>.

Whatever you decide is fine with me.:)

The reason it is a big deal is that the other team has been playing great defense and you just bailed out the offense.

How so if the offense made a legitimate and legal timeout request?:confused:

1) Rich - quit watching your partner's count and counting with him - pay attention to the holding goiing on in the corner.

2) You have to talk this over with your partner, before you do anything else, If you go to your partner and say I had a coaches request for time out before you blew the violation - then it is up to your partner to decide what to do.
you are not going to make someone happy but get the call right.

3) You are not bailing out the offence in this situation - yes the defense did a fine job but only for 4.5 seconds when the time out was called legitimately by the coach of the offense. That is a reward to the defence also they forced the coach to burn a time out.

I can't believe you're serious, but I'll act like you are and impart some "wisdom" right back at you.

It's called peripheral vision and court awareness. I know where my partner's count is without staring at his arm. I'm aware of subs coming to the table without waiting for a horn, too. I know when we're in the bonus and under a minute in the period without staring at the scoreboard, too.

It's not up to the partner. The timeout takes priority. I'm already reporting the timeout to the table. And I'd expect my partner to do the same if he was the one with the timeout.

Teams get 5 timeouts. If they burn one over one possession, it is a pretty good tradeoff for the defense. And they can play good defense again.

I left out the Smile - :D
Yes even without peripherial vision you better have an idea of how close your partner is to five seconds.

You tell the other coach that the TO request came before the violation, which whistle sounded first is of no consequence and that he would have been given the same consideration had it been him asking for a TO.

Don't make/not make a call because you're afraid of what a coach might say.

When they make a rule that says the coach can't request TO during a count, then I'll concern myself with your issue.

Until then, the coach has a perfectly legal right to burn a TO if he so chooses. And if he does it before my partner reaches the end of his count, then he's the one who has made a great play.

Like it or not, that is the rule.

We're talking about 2 officials making 2 separate calls on opposite sides of the gym a half second apart.
If you don't go by the whistle, how did you decide which came first?

Because I know if the TO request came before 5 or after 5. As should you. The whistle rarely makes the ball dead. Fundamentals.

You go and talk to the other official and decide which act took place first. See case book plays 2.6SitA&B. Same concept exactly.

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Really? I almost never know where my partner's count is. Of all the little things that I have to keep track of on the court, that is not one of them. I trust him to count to 5 or 10 without my backup.

The whistle didn't make the ball dead, the violation did, which came before the whistle. If you have your own count going, fine, but how could it possibly be perfectly coordinated with that of the official administering the throw-in?