Tennessee/Texas 5sec. call

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

When a coach sends a copy of the tape to the league office of you swinging your arm only four times, but calling a five second violation, you're in trouble. When a coach sends one that shows you swinging your arm six times, but still NOT calling a five second violation, you're screwed!

Your arm swings are your official count.

Is this really what coaches and evaluators look at? If they were concerned about whether the violation, or lack of one, was proper, wouldn't they time the play to check?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Is this really what coaches and evaluators look at? If they were concerned about whether the violation, or lack of one, was proper, wouldn't they time the play to check?

They might. But the official does not have the benefit of the evaluator's stopwatch. He/she only has the physical count. Being off in the speed of your count is not desireable, but is understandable. Ignoring your own count is indefensible.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Being off in the speed of your count is not desireable, but is understandable. Ignoring your own count is indefensible.

Or starting it late, or not having one, or.... Good points.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Is this really what coaches and evaluators look at? If they were concerned about whether the violation, or lack of one, was proper, wouldn't they time the play to check?

An assigner - not evaluator - will look at it when they receive a tape from a coach who thinks he/she got screwed.

[bigdogrunnin]

Old school,

You are correct. WE ALL forget or get caught up with other aspects of our duties at different times. I am sure I have implied that I am perfect when it comes to counts, but believe, I am NOT. I guess I should say, "an official should ALWAYS try . . ."

As for games coming down to 5-second counts, or BC counts. I have had at least 4-5 in the past 2 years come down to just that. And, when a coach is pressing looking for that call, or the offensive coach is checking the count to see if a TO needs to be called, I want to be "johnny-on-the-spot!"

As for coaches calling assignors or sending in tapes . . . I had a coach do that to one of my partners last season. He called our assignor and scratched the official because he wasn't consistently visible on his counts, and the coach didn't like it. It happened in a game that wasn't close (10-12 points), and he won, but I guess he had a point to make. Just thought I would share.