What would it take for a double T on a 13 year old boy?

tomegun

Old School wrote
Nobody is saying that you have to calm down a coach. No one is saying this at all. However, you do need to process some people skills. If a coach asks you a question, you are obligated to answer the question. If you ignore the coach, even in a tense situation, that looks worse, imo. Coaches will become even more irate if you ignore them. That is a proven fact.

Now let's play this out a minute. Coach is ejected. Coach tells his boss A/D that those officials wouldn't answer my questions, they ignored me and then gave me a T for complaining too much. A/D calls assigner after reviewing game tape and asks the assigner, why did your officials not answer my coaches questions? We accept the T and ejection but I'm a little concerned that the crew you send over here is too inexperienced to work at this level. We do not want officials that are too intimidated that they can't answer a direct question from our coach in the heat of battle.

You are the only one that is saying this. You obviously have no people skills, whatsoever. Quick lesson. If someone is yelling at you, and you respond back in a calm manner, it has a tendency to calm the person that is yelling. Another proven fact. Customer communications 101. No one is advocating calming down an irate coach, at least I'm not. Responding too direct questions from a coach is a must, and they will come right after a technical, expect them to come right after a T, which is why I suggest calling official go opposite table in 3 person. In 2-person, calling official can go administrator FT's.

You sir, Removed by Tomegun. Don't get it twisted and think people skills will take the place of officiating skills. Some officials have to talk their way out of more stuff because of what they do. You are probably clueless on the court.

Adam

Dr., I think we're ready for a diagnosis now.

Narcissistic Delusions of Grandeur projecting his faults onto others around him.

blindzebra

tomegun wrote
I don't think what I posted was that much different from what you said and what I agreed with. You told the coach he must sit and showed him your back side. What is the problem with that? It is funny how nobody has mentioned why an official should be beside a coach in the second half. I actually know why, but whatever.

Mechanically, my partner and I administered the FTs backwards...this is 2 person...and instead of being at the normal trail location I was near the division line, tableside.

Most of the players are at or near the division line while you shoot a T, so being high at trail makes observing them easier, and doing so from tableside puts you around 15 feet from the coach, a good range so that they feel you can hear them and close enough for you to deliver the seatbelt message without being right beside them.

It also puts you right there for when a table asks if that T counts as a team foul, which happens from time-to-time too.😉

And to show you we are on the same page...a first half T in 3 person, puts the trail right beside the coach that got banged...2nd half mechanically, you'd be beside the shooting teams coach.

JRutledge

Old School wrote
It is obvious that you can't handle the truth. You can't handle a different way of resolving a problem, you can't handle someone challenging your position. You are true to the bone, pigheaded, know-it-all officials. Keep doing what you do because you make it possible for guys like me to move up. Reason, fresh new ideas....

First of all I do not care what position you take, I feel it is a dumb position you are taking. If you want to jump up and down and get in the way of the coach and your partner and it works for you, be my guest. I do not give a damn what you do. I am just pointing out those officials that work games at a higher level than most here do not agree with your position. Also I do not give out a lot of Ts because I do not have to. And when I speak to coaches, they do not challenge many things I say. I never have to calm down a coach, I tell them what took place and I tell them I will find out information from other officials when needed. And depending on where you claim you are moving up to, it is not going to go over well if you are trying to justify something to a coach about a veterans call. But you seemed to know better than anyone. It is not like you are not talking to a lot of very experience officials on this site. You just have proven that you know nothing about officiating and trying to convince the rest of us you do. Now that is the truth, can you handle those apples? 😉

Peace

tomegun

blindzebra wrote
Mechanically, my partner and I administered the FTs backwards...this is 2 person...and instead of being at the normal trail location I was near the division line, tableside.

Most of the players are at or near the division line while you shoot a T, so being high at trail makes observing them easier, and doing so from tableside puts you around 15 feet from the coach, a good range so that they feel you can hear them and close enough for you to deliver the seatbelt message without being right beside them.

It also puts you right there for when a table asks if that T counts as a team foul, which happens from time-to-time too.😉

And to show you we are on the same page...a first half T in 3 person, puts the trail right beside the coach that got banged...2nd half mechanically, you'd be beside the shooting teams coach.

OK, no problem with that. Your 15 feet distance also means the coach will have to be pretty loud to continue whatever got him/her the T in the first place.

I only asked about where an official should be in the second half because other people have posted about being beside the coach after a T is given and there is no reason to be beside a coach (who just got a T) in the second half.

Old School

tomegun wrote
I only asked about where an official should be in the second half because other people have posted about being beside the coach after a T is given and there is no reason to be beside a coach (who just got a T) in the second half.

Except if he/she asks you a question.

tomegun

Old School wrote
Except if he/she asks you a question.

He or she just got a technical foul and I've been doing this long enough to know better; obviously you don't know better. If the question has to do with the technical foul, my partner will be over there soon to answer any questions about the technical. If it doesn't have anything to do with the technical, it can wait.

I have to go - I have to go and work on my people skills on the court. 🙄 Old School, this officiating thing might not be for you.

Jurassic Referee

JRutledge wrote
Maybe your real name is JMO.

Naw, just his posting name at McGriffs. Hey, he's doing exactly what he did at McGriffs too. Argue with everybody about basics. We've already established from other threads that he doesn't own any rulebooks, case books or the MANUAL, which is all you need to know about his claims about being an official. He keeps the masquerade going though. Unbelievable.

Old School

JRutledge wrote
First of all I do not care what position you take. Yes you do, that's why you keep responding..

If you want to jump up and down and get in the way of the coach and your partner and it works for you, be my guest. Where did I ever say this? Let's not make up stuff.

I am just pointing out those officials that work games at a higher level than most here do not agree with your position. Don't care, it is okay to disagree.

Also I do not give out a lot of Ts because I do not have to. Don't recall ever asking you if you did.

I never have to calm down a coach. My position is not to calm down a coach. I have stated that fairly clearly numerous times.

And depending on where you claim you are moving up to, it is not going to go over well if you are trying to justify something to a coach about a veterans call. I would never try to justify another referee's call. either I have definite knowledge or I don't. If I don't I say I don't.

But you seemed to know better than anyone. No, this is your perception.

You just have proven that you know nothing about officiating and trying to convince the rest of us you do. No! again, you are the one trying to do all the convincing here. I merely state my position and stand by it, period.

Now, can you handle those apples? 😉

Peace

A wise man once said, be weary of those who try to lift themselves at the expense of others!

Old School

Jurassic Referee wrote
We've already established from other threads that he doesn't own any rulebooks, case books or the MANUAL, which is all you need to know about his claims about being an official. He keeps the masquerade going though. Unbelievable.

A wise man once said, don't believe everything you read.

Jurassic Referee

Old School wrote
A wise man once said, don't believe everything you read.

I don't believe anything that I read of yours, JMO. I guess that makes me a wise man, eh?🙂

Old School

tomegun wrote
He or she just got a technical foul and I've been doing this long enough to know better; obviously you don't know better. If the question has to do with the technical foul, my partner will be over there soon to answer any questions about the technical. If it doesn't have anything to do with the technical, it can wait.

How would you know what the question is about if you don't go over there and find out? I will go out my way to acknowledge (not so much answer) a coaches question. If I'm in transistion, or I don't know the answer, I will tell the coach I will get back to him, and then follow-thru on that statement. Even if it's not until the next day.

Adam

Old School wrote
How would you know what the question is about if you don't go over there and find out? I will go out my way to acknowledge (not so much answer) a coaches question. If I'm in transistion, or I don't know the answer, I will tell the coach I will get back to him, and then follow-thru on that statement. Even if it's not until the next day.

😀 Stop it! You're making my stomach hurt. This is just too funny. This is so over the top your cover is about to be blown.

JRutledge

Old School wrote
Yes you do, that's why you keep responding..

I keep responding because I can. You are not going to stop me. BTW, you have responded to more of my posts in this thread and others than I have ever responded to you. What now? 😉

Old School wrote
If you want to jump up and down and get in the way of the coach and your partner and it works for you, be my guest. Where did I ever say this? Let's not make up stuff.

It is called sarcasm. If you had much of a brain, you would have picked up on this.

Old School wrote
Don't care, it is okay to disagree.

Neither do I, but you responded. I guess you really really care.

Old School wrote
Don't recall ever asking you if you did.

But you pre-game this in all your "big games." So it must be something you are struggling with. 😉

Old School wrote
My position is not to calm down a coach. I have stated that fairly clearly numerous times.

This is your exact quote,

Old School wrote
"If we got a volatile situation, we get the calling official out of there. The thinking is to protect the official, protect the coach, protect the integrity of the game, protect our game. If we can handle the situation without ejecting the coach, we are going to try. If the coach wants to air his concerns, he can air it to one of the non-calling officials. The non-calling officials job is to calm the coach and listen to the their concerns. 9 out of 10 times this works and we can continue the game w/o any ejections. In the one time it doesn't, we still follow our procedures and if we do it right, another official will signal the 2nd T."

Old School wrote
"I would never try to justify another referee's call. either I have definite knowledge or I don't. If I don't I say I don't.

What ever man.

Old School wrote
No, this is your perception.

I am not the only one that seems to have that impression of you.

Old School wrote
"No! again, you are the one trying to do all the convincing here. I merely state my position and stand by it, period.

He is the thing cappy, this is my real name. This is my real identity. I do not have a funny name to hide behind. I have actually worked with or been to camps with a few people on this site. Or there are people who know exactly who I am or people that have worked with me. I do not need to convince anyone of anything because you and others could look me up. You on the other hand have tried to make it seem like you know what you are talking about, but then you sound like some rookie that has never been in the fire. If you had, you would have never made the comments you did just in this thread alone.

Peace

Jurassic Referee

Snaqwells wrote
😃 Stop it! You're making my stomach hurt. This is just too funny. This is so over the top your cover is about to be blown.

Snaqs, the sad part is that he's actually serious.

Mark Padgett

Please - MAKE IT STOP!!!

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