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Adam Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:29am

Flagrant Personal
 
Early in the game, Boys Frosh, home team is pressing and H22 commits a solid foul. I called a common foul, and we moved on. A couple minutes later, H22 is driving on a fast break, and V30 comes in with a hard shove; not even a pretense at getting the ball. Easy X. I hear him tell a teammate, “He pushed Drew, and I got him back.” His coach was pulling him, and his teammate jumped down his throat for making that comment and for pushing the player, so I let it go after telling his teammate (one of the captains) to do what he needed to do to calm the other one down.
Fast forward to the 4th quarter. H22 is again driving the lane, this time V32 comes in with a hard shove. First year partner is quick on the X, but really means flagrant. He moves immediately from the X to pointing at the bench. Great call.
My questions:
Where do you take the ball out after a flagrant. I was thinking, with a flagrant personal, you go to the spot of the foul. After looking in the book, however, it seems we need to go half court.

Would you have whacked V30 for his comments to his teammate?

iref4him Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:35am

On Intentional and/or Flagrant personal fouls, two free throws are awarded and the ball is put back in play by the offended team at the nearest spot to the foul.

V30 - his coach and captain are doing there job. I would have let it go.

HawkeyeCubP Tue Dec 12, 2006 02:27pm

8-5-3 After a free throw which is not followed by another free throw, the ball shall be put in play by a throw-in:
By any player of the free-thrower's team from the out-of-bounds spot nearest the foul if the free throw is for an intentional personal foul or flagrant personal foul.

Nevadaref Tue Dec 12, 2006 06:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Would you have whacked V30 for his comments to his teammate?

No, but if we had yet to restart play, that comment would have made me change the call from an intentional personal foul to a flagrant personal foul.

Mark Dexter Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref
No, but if we had yet to restart play, that comment would have made me change the call from an intentional personal foul to a flagrant personal foul.

Definately ran through my mind. Not sure if I'd call it in the heat of the moment.

Adam Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:05pm

I considered that as well, but didn't like the idea of a delayed flagrant notice. Coach was quick with the sub, and the captain was chewing him out. Didn't have any more real trouble from him, so it worked out.

Nevadaref Wed Dec 13, 2006 03:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
I considered that as well, but didn't like the idea of a delayed flagrant notice. Coach was quick with the sub, and the captain was chewing him out. Didn't have any more real trouble from him, so it worked out.

Sounds good. Glad it worked for you in that situation. I think that we agree that the kid made a garbage play though. I have no problem penalizing him for it, if the coach isn't already stepping up.


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