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Chess Ref Fri Dec 08, 2006 03:02pm

Shot then violation ?
 
The thread on the shot then foul really helped me alot. So now what if there is a shot then a voilation on shooting team or non shooting team ? Do we handle it the same as the shot-foul or would it be different because of a violation ?

I'm thinking player swinging elbows or leaving the court.........

Jurassic Referee Fri Dec 08, 2006 03:14pm

NFHS rule 6-7-9&EXCEPTION(d) tells you how to handle it.

If the violation is by a teammate of the shooter or the shooter, the ball is dead. If the violation is by an opponent of the shooter, the ball remains live. Also see case book play 9.13.1.

Adam Fri Dec 08, 2006 03:14pm

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Originally Posted by Chess Ref
The thread on the shot then foul really helped me alot. So now what if there is a shot then a voilation on shooting team or non shooting team ? Do we handle it the same as the shot-foul or would it be different because of a violation ?

I'm thinking player swinging elbows or leaving the court.........

If the violation is on the offense, the basket is waived. If it's on the defense, the basket counts. Assuming you're talking about a violation while the shot is in the air.

WhistlesAndStripes Fri Dec 08, 2006 03:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chess Ref
The thread on the shot then foul really helped me alot. So now what if there is a shot then a voilation on shooting team or non shooting team ? Do we handle it the same as the shot-foul or would it be different because of a violation ?

I'm thinking player swinging elbows or leaving the court.........

And I'm thinking I'm probably not going to see this one. :D

PYRef Fri Dec 08, 2006 03:21pm

I'll try.
A1 shoots, A2 called for excessive swinging of arms. Ball becomes dead immediately and basket does not count. Ball OOB nearest violation to Team B

If B2 is called for excessive swinging of arms, the ball is dead when the try ends. Count the basket for A1 (if good), and give ball back to Team A, at a spot OOB closest to where the violation occurred.

Mark Dexter Fri Dec 08, 2006 04:20pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
If the violation is on the offense, the basket is waived.

:eek:

-Mr. Spelling Guy

Adam Fri Dec 08, 2006 04:29pm

From http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/waived

waive:
6 [influenced by 1wave] : to dismiss with or as if with a wave of the hand <waived the problem aside>

Mark Dexter Sat Dec 09, 2006 02:20pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
From http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/waived

waive:
6 [influenced by 1wave] : to dismiss with or as if with a wave of the hand <waived the problem aside>

Oh, my. My apologies, good sir.

rainmaker Sat Dec 09, 2006 02:32pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
From http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/waived

waive:
6 [influenced by 1wave] : to dismiss with or as if with a wave of the hand <waived the problem aside>

Yabut....

the connotations are generally that the person who owns the asset is the one doing the waiving, such as ".. I waive my right to a jury trial." When someone else is "waving it off" is it still "waiving"?

Mark Dexter Sat Dec 09, 2006 11:19pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
Yabut....

the connotations are generally that the person who owns the asset is the one doing the waiving, such as ".. I waive my right to a jury trial." When someone else is "waving it off" is it still "waiving"?

What she said.

Adam Sun Dec 10, 2006 04:47pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
Yabut....

the connotations are generally that the person who owns the asset is the one doing the waiving, such as ".. I waive my right to a jury trial." When someone else is "waving it off" is it still "waiving"?

Perhaps. I was in my mortgage mindset. I suppose this makes it a question for Mr. Annoying Grammar Guy rather than Mr. Spelling Guy. :)

Mark Dexter Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:50am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Perhaps. I was in my mortgage mindset. I suppose this makes it a question for Mr. Annoying Grammar Guy rather than Mr. Spelling Guy. :)

I think it's actually more Mr. Semantics Guy's field.

Adam Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:59am

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Originally Posted by Mark Dexter
I think it's actually more Mr. Semantics Guy's field.

Ah, good point. Apparently, we have a job opening.


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