excessively swinging arms/elbows w/ out contact
 

NF rule

Violation occurs when A1's attempt for a shot is on it's way during rebounding action by A2 or B2. Shot counts either way, and a spot throw-in nearest violation?

Shot doesn't count if violation is by A - ball is dead immediately. Sit. 9.13.1.

You're right about the official ruling, but I"ve gotta ask about the philosophy here. If an A Team foul is committed when the ball is in flight, the ball is not dead and the shot counts if it goes. but if an A Team violation is committed, then the ball is immediately dead? Is that correct?

Who can explain it?
Who can tell you why?
Fools give you reasons,
Wise men . . . never try.


Seems right to me - can't find any direct case plays to back it up, though.

As well,I was in disbelief until I read Sit 9.13.1. I guess same as if ...
A1 attempts a long last second shot. While the ball is in the air, A1 runs OOB to avoid contacting a defender. 'Tweeeeeet', violations on A1. Ball is dead.

Yes.

Wise elders? Philosophy here?

That was the other one I was thinking of, too.

You didn't see it correctly...A1's momentum took him OOB invouluntarily...and he was trying to immediately return to the court. ;)

Thank you Mark for that very helpful and informative little bit of doggerel.

I can see that it's consistent with that other rule dyad, a violation by team A takes away the arrow, but a foul by team A doesn't. But on free throws, the ball is dead immediately if team A violates or fouls either one, right? Where's the consistency in that?

Rule 6-7-9&EXCEPTION(d).

Correct.

Why? If the shot is in the air and goes in, there is no penalty for a violation on team A. B's going to get the ball anyway. If it doesn't go in, B gets the ball.

On a foul, B will get the ball and may even be shooting bonus FTs. Plus a player gets charged with the foul. It may not be an immediate affect but it does would put them 1 closer to the bonus.