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Adam Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:50am

She "kicked" it, and then I kicked it
 
The ball is loose on a rebound, and is bouncing low towards A1. Instinctively, she narrows her knees to stop it, trapping it between her shins. The lead sees it clearly, does nothing, and play goes on. I guess it was something he hadn’t seen and it caught him off guard. I was lead. ;)

Kevzebra Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:00am

Violation on A. Ball to be nearest to where the violation occurs.

and don't kick it anymore! ::snicker::

mick Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:04am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
The ball is loose on a rebound, and is bouncing low towards A1. Instinctively, she narrows her knees to stop it, trapping it between her shins. The lead sees it clearly, does nothing, and play goes on. I guess it was something he hadn’t seen and it caught him off guard. I was lead. ;)

I don't see an intentional kick here.
Also, sounds a lot like a jr.high game, yes? :)

Adam Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mick
I don't see an intentional kick here.
Also, sounds a lot like a jr.high game, yes? :)

She intentionally squeezed her shins together to catch the ball.
Freshman girls. Close enough. :D

bigdogrunnin Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:25am

If a player intentionally strikes the ball with ANY part of the leg or foot it is a violation. Seems to me that the girl intentionally moved her legs to stop the ball, hence the violation.

tmp44 Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:28am

A violation occurs anytime a player, with their legs, places a "vice-like grip" on the ball.

mick Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:29am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
She intentionally squeezed her shins together to catch the ball.
Freshman girls. Close enough. :D

Catching the ball and intentionally striking the ball are the same?
I remain unsure.
Cases show intentionally deflecting and kicking with foot, but not catching.
Sell me.

mick Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tmp44
A violation occurs anytime a player, with their legs, places a "vice-like grip" on the ball.

Rule source?

bob jenkins Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:54am

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Originally Posted by mick
Rule source?

There's a specific NCAA AR that applies. Most (?) have the interp apply to FED as well, although I don't recall any specific play.

mick Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:57am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
There's a specific NCAA AR that applies. Most (?) have the interp apply to FED as well, although I don't recall any specific play.

Bob,
Is that the one about trapping the ball on the floor?

M&M Guy Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:20pm

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Originally Posted by mick
Bob,
Is that the one about trapping the ball on the floor?

I believe the AR has to do with a player trapping the ball between their legs, and the opponent grabbing the ball as well. This is not a held ball situation, but a violation on the player holding it with their legs.

Adam Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:20pm

The rule says "intentionally strike the ball." Most interpret "strike" to include any movement of the leg with the intent of touching the ball. Now, in my situation, before the ball was trapped, it actually bounced of one leg.

mick Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
The rule says "intentionally strike the ball." Most interpret "strike" to include any movement of the leg with the intent of touching the ball. Now, in my situation, before the ball was trapped, it actually bounced of one leg.

Snaqwells,
Do you remember what her hands were doing at the time of the trap?
Was she clumsy? Was she redirecting the ball? Did she merely mis-field the grounder?

Adam Wed Dec 06, 2006 01:20pm

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Originally Posted by mick
Snaqwells,
Do you remember what her hands were doing at the time of the trap?
Was she clumsy? Was she redirecting the ball? Did she merely mis-field the grounder?

I do. I had a great view. She was in the process of reach down to grab it when her knees moved together. It wasn't an awkward movement; more like a hockey goalie pinching his legs together to prevent the puck from going through. She looked down, squeezed her knees to trap it, reached to grab the ball, and passed it.

mick Wed Dec 06, 2006 01:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
I do. I had a great view. She was in the process of reach down to grab it when her knees moved together. It wasn't an awkward movement; more like a hockey goalie pinching his legs together to prevent the puck from going through. She looked down, squeezed her knees to trap it, reached to grab the ball, and passed it.

Thanks, Snaq.
Even more clearly now, I do not think think she intentionally kicked the ball.


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